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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 25, 2022 8:17:27 GMT -6
Depends on what you mean by "allowed"...
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Post by sweep on Feb 25, 2022 12:17:27 GMT -6
F'n Russian assholes.............
Fortunately, the driver of the car was pulled from the wreckage and survived.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 25, 2022 12:27:50 GMT -6
Oh my god. That’s sickening and a crime.
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on Feb 26, 2022 7:37:33 GMT -6
I heard an interesting analysis the other day. The media likes to paint Putin as having a desire to return to the glory days of the Soviet Union, even though he has denounced the "totalitarianism" of communism in past comments. What he's really after is the return of the Russian Empire of the 1800s. Ukraine at that time was fractured, with some regions aligning with Russia (including the regions that he is occupying now). Lenin brought the totality of Ukraine into the USSR after the revolution, but after the breakup of the USSR in 1991, those same areas still aligned more with Russia than Ukraine. He sees those areas as traditionally Russian, and believes he's just bringing them back into the fold. He's also reaching the end of his political career, and looking to establish his legacy as the man that restored Russia, not the Soviet Union. Russia has occupied those areas ever since the breakup, just not openly. The invasion essentially just meant they were able to put on their uniforms. This has also placed China in a tough spot. They want to align with the rest of the world in condemning the invasion, but that would paint them as hypocrites due to their threats toward Taiwan and crackdown on Hong Kong. So they've largely stayed silent. Meanwhile, our Blunderer-in-Chief... well, God only knows what he's going to do. I find it interesting that the left still somehow blame Trump, even though Putin didn't do crap while Trump was in office. In the 1800s, Russia also had parts of Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and disputed areas of Finland. Should they be allowed to take back those territories from those current sovereign states? Actually yes… in order to stay consistent with the destroy Israel free Palestine movement… that’s exactly as it should happen. (Sarcasm*) |
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Post by prestonp on Feb 28, 2022 19:53:07 GMT -6
Gee, do we remember when the Seditionist-In-Chief held up military aid to Ukraine? That Putin guy is a real genius.
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Post by bsutrack on Mar 3, 2022 18:25:31 GMT -6
I heard an interesting analysis the other day. The media likes to paint Putin as having a desire to return to the glory days of the Soviet Union, even though he has denounced the "totalitarianism" of communism in past comments. What he's really after is the return of the Russian Empire of the 1800s. Ukraine at that time was fractured, with some regions aligning with Russia (including the regions that he is occupying now). Lenin brought the totality of Ukraine into the USSR after the revolution, but after the breakup of the USSR in 1991, those same areas still aligned more with Russia than Ukraine. He sees those areas as traditionally Russian, and believes he's just bringing them back into the fold. He's also reaching the end of his political career, and looking to establish his legacy as the man that restored Russia, not the Soviet Union. Russia has occupied those areas ever since the breakup, just not openly. The invasion essentially just meant they were able to put on their uniforms. This has also placed China in a tough spot. They want to align with the rest of the world in condemning the invasion, but that would paint them as hypocrites due to their threats toward Taiwan and crackdown on Hong Kong. So they've largely stayed silent. Meanwhile, our Blunderer-in-Chief... well, God only knows what he's going to do. I find it interesting that the left still somehow blame Trump, even though Putin didn't do crap while Trump was in office. I find this article to be misleading and that is being charitable. First off, it should have mentioned the Obama Administration in 2014, when Russia invaded the Crimea, refused to provide Ukraine with lethal aid. nypost.com/2019/10/09/sorry-joe-team-obama-refused-to-arm-ukraine-at-all/"In 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and began arming separatists in eastern Ukraine with tanks, armored vehicles and rocket launchers, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko came to Washington to plead for weapons to defend his country. In an impassioned address to a joint session of Congress — with Biden sitting directly behind him — Poroshenko said his country appreciated the nonlethal assistance he was getting, but declared “one cannot win a war with blankets.”
The Obama-Biden administration was unmoved. The Wall Street Journal reported at the time that “President Barack Obama stuck to his refusal to provide weapons or other lethal military gear to Ukraine.” Why? Team Obama feared that lethal aid would provoke Moscow. So what did the administration give him? Instead of rocket-propelled grenades, we provided food rations. As one frustrated former Pentagon official put it at the time, “What kind of message does that send anyway?” Trump corrected this in 2018 by sending 37 Javelin launchers and 210 Javelin anti-tank missiles. abcnews.go.com/Politics/javelin-missiles-ukraine/story?id=65855233Your Daily Beast article says Trump refused to send the Javelins in 2017 because he wanted Ukraine to pay for them. They must have indeed paid for them because in 2019 Ukraine wanted to purchase some more. From the ABC News article linked above: "Included in the released transcript of President Donald Trump’s phone call with Volodymyr Zelenskiy was the Ukrainian president's comment that his country was ready "to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes."
To quote your Daily Beast article: "During the infamous July 2019 phone call between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and Trump, Zelensky was still asking for Javelin anti-tank weapons. And while Trump held the security aid back, Ukraine became more susceptible." They totally fail to mention the 37 Javelin launchers and 210 missiles already received in 2018. Making it sound like they are still unarmed like the Obama-Biden Administration had left them in 2014. In other words, the Daily Beast article is missing a few facts. I read somewhere the Ukrainians started last week with 77 Javelin launchers and approximately 740 Javelin anti-tank missiles. Assuming they didn't get anymore from the Trump Administration prior to 2021, the rest were provided by the Biden Administration in the last few days before the Russian invasion. They should have sent 1,000's like the rest of Europe is doing now. To little, too late late! |
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Post by bsutrack on Mar 3, 2022 18:37:20 GMT -6
I heard an interesting analysis the other day. The media likes to paint Putin as having a desire to return to the glory days of the Soviet Union, even though he has denounced the "totalitarianism" of communism in past comments. What he's really after is the return of the Russian Empire of the 1800s. Ukraine at that time was fractured, with some regions aligning with Russia (including the regions that he is occupying now). Lenin brought the totality of Ukraine into the USSR after the revolution, but after the breakup of the USSR in 1991, those same areas still aligned more with Russia than Ukraine. He sees those areas as traditionally Russian, and believes he's just bringing them back into the fold. He's also reaching the end of his political career, and looking to establish his legacy as the man that restored Russia, not the Soviet Union. Russia has occupied those areas ever since the breakup, just not openly. The invasion essentially just meant they were able to put on their uniforms. This has also placed China in a tough spot. They want to align with the rest of the world in condemning the invasion, but that would paint them as hypocrites due to their threats toward Taiwan and crackdown on Hong Kong. So they've largely stayed silent. Meanwhile, our Blunderer-in-Chief... well, God only knows what he's going to do. I find it interesting that the left still somehow blame Trump, even though Putin didn't do crap while Trump was in office. Good analysis.
Agree, good analysis The only thing to add is the Russian military build-up started in August and September once Putin had seen the Biden Administration's debacle in Afghanistan. That was when he realized the shear incompetence of the Biden Administration and that he could seize the Ukraine. |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 3, 2022 19:34:07 GMT -6
What a joke. Putin knows first hand how impossible it is to leave that region without losses. He may celebrate any misfortune for the US, but that had little to do with this.
You support Trump who vowed to dismantle NATO, gave Putin most of what he wanted, including weakening Ukraine, withholding military help. Why would Putin invade, Trump was giving him what he wanted.
You and other Trump toadies even now fawn over Putin's genius in the run up to this. If America is weak it's the internal politics like that which weaken America and encouraged him.
What do you think Biden should have done earlier? I heard no GOP proposals related to this. Trump claims it would never have happened, probably right, he would be carrying out his agenda of appeasement. That seems your answer.
Fortunately many GOP stalwarts do not agree.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 3, 2022 19:48:58 GMT -6
The Ukraine situation is much like the COVID situation in that many in the US see it entirely in terms of how they can score on their domestic political enemies.
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Post by sweep on Mar 3, 2022 19:51:05 GMT -6
00 seriously, how much dope do you smoke on an average night ? You are just a rambling incoherent mess.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 3, 2022 20:22:05 GMT -6
The Ukraine situation is much like the COVID situation in that many in the US see it entirely in terms of how they can score on their domestic political enemies. No doubt. But both are real problems requiring competent response. I'm glad bsutrack's and sweep's man isn't in the WH on this one. He'd never had marshalled the response world wide we can with him out of the WH. |
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Post by sweep on Mar 3, 2022 20:28:34 GMT -6
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Post by villagepub on Mar 4, 2022 7:22:49 GMT -6
What a joke. Putin knows first hand how impossible it is to leave that region without losses. He may celebrate any misfortune for the US, but that had little to do with this. You support Trump who vowed to dismantle NATO, gave Putin most of what he wanted, including weakening Ukraine, withholding military help. Why would Putin invade, Trump was giving him what he wanted. You and other Trump toadies even now fawn over Putin's genius in the run up to this. If America is weak it's the internal politics like that which weaken America and encouraged him. What do you think Biden should have done earlier? I heard no GOP proposals related to this. Trump claims it would never have happened, probably right, he would be carrying out his agenda of appeasement. That seems your answer. Fortunately many GOP stalwarts do not agree. Wow. What color is the sky in your universe? |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 4, 2022 8:41:24 GMT -6
What a joke. Putin knows first hand how impossible it is to leave that region without losses. He may celebrate any misfortune for the US, but that had little to do with this. Wow. What color is the sky in your universe? Not the rosy colored hue bsutrack sees where Trump's great strength dealing with Russia averted an earlier invasion.
The color of my sky is the same as the bipartisan majority of the Congress which recognizes the guy is not some genius real estate tycoon involved in a hostile takeover, somebody we should trust over our own Intelligence agencies. Sure, I support the US President when in a crisis he is effective in leading a world coalition against the Ukraine invasion.
The color is through the glass of being a military vet, a life long supporter of all those RINOs Trump wants to throw out of the party which was a constructive force for a really great America with two parties that could disagree and still work together effectively for generations from post WWII through 9/11.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 4, 2022 8:53:45 GMT -6
Not sure how Trump is my man, I didn't even vote for him. I post criticism of the guy , his wall, his pandemic denial and incompetence, his policy dismantling NATO, his protectionist trade policy, his response to racial conflict and support for white supremacists, and so on, and you can be counted on to say my position is stupid? How would I get the wrong impression?
Glad to hear you didn't vote for him. But why not? Disliking Hillary I can see, worry about Joe as a leftist or as a participant in a world wide criminal conspiracy, I can't.
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