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Post by connecticutcard on Mar 14, 2022 20:54:42 GMT -6
I’m an outsider and have zero insight into things but from my vantage point Beth is really good at her job. To me, we aren’t going to get the bigger, exceptional athletes, even comparable to Akron or Kent. Too many want to go with the NBA style 3 ball, surely because that’s what kids now want to play. My guess is we can’t recruit kids who hits 3s at a decent enough clip to justify the style. I say we get kids who run & jump / press. Pitino style. Norm Held style. Relentless pressure. We get kids who play hard and play better than their size, we will both win and put people in seats. Why should we not be able to recruit comparable to Akron or Kent? You did hear that Whitford is out? you are falling back into the hole again. Akron is a 13 seed. Even if we recruit to their level we are not getting closer to what, I assume, is our ultimate goal of making a difference in the tournament. If our goal is to win the MAC and get the auto bid, sure, it’s a gigantic step forward. I’m suggesting if we want to make a final four, a la VCU, we need to be different. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 14, 2022 20:58:25 GMT -6
Here's what we don't do that's take chances. I'm not saying we recruit the thug boat but take some shots
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Post by connecticutcard on Mar 14, 2022 21:05:35 GMT -6
If we are going to run trial balloons I suggest Austin Parkinson, womens coach, IUPUI. No idea of interest but kid can coach. Was recruited here, and would have had presumably more playing success here but he wanted to learn from Keady. His brother went here. Outside the box.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 14, 2022 21:29:03 GMT -6
Don't know anything about Parkinson, but I certainly would not omit coaches from the women's game (male or female) from my candidates list. I think a fair number on this board would gladly give Sallee a shot at the men's job and not think twice about it. However, it does seem most of those who coach the women's game prefer to coach the women over the men.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 14, 2022 21:46:24 GMT -6
Cross over between coaching women and men in basketball is an interesting topic. Rick Majerus had some interesting thoughts on a related matter. One of my all-time favorite coaches Paul Westhead had success with both genders. Bill Laimbeer, of all people, became a successful women's coach.
The idea of an actual woman as coach is interesting. I think recruiting would be a struggle. The demographic you recruit from would be, I think, more resistant to the idea of a women coach than many people are comfortable talking or even thinking about.
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Post by sweep on Mar 15, 2022 0:18:04 GMT -6
If we are going to run trial balloons I suggest Austin Parkinson, womens coach, IUPUI. Oh for fuc-s sake. I know let's hire Whitford's ex-wife, she coaches women's basketball and has strong Muncie ties. |
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Post by bsu1 on Mar 15, 2022 2:55:17 GMT -6
No to Grunk. Nice guy but he was an assistant to Whit for 7 years. Get someone from a successful program, not from a coaching genius of Whitford.
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Post by rgmillikan on Mar 15, 2022 3:05:16 GMT -6
Why should we not be able to recruit comparable to Akron or Kent? You did hear that Whitford is out? you are falling back into the hole again. Akron is a 13 seed. Even if we recruit to their level we are not getting closer to what, I assume, is our ultimate goal of making a difference in the tournament. If our goal is to win the MAC and get the auto bid, sure, it’s a gigantic step forward. I’m suggesting if we want to make a final four, a la VCU, we need to be different. At this point if Ball state was even 90% of Akron by 2026 that would be a MASSIVE upgrade over what the program has been since 2002-03. Just saying. |
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Post by universityjim on Mar 15, 2022 8:28:44 GMT -6
As with Buckley and Taylor before him, I now feel a bit sorry for Whitford. I imagine this represents sort of a crushing of his fondest dreams. Now that he's no longer squatting and taking up the position from which a better coach could have brought us fun and excitement, my bad feelings for him mostly disappear. I'm sure he WANTED to win...he just couldn't. He did go overboard with the excuses, but that's not an uncommon human trait. Thompson, I did not feel sorry for. He was scum. I wouldn't worry about Whitford. He will make someone a very good assistant and probably get paid as much as he made here. |
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Post by chupacabra on Mar 15, 2022 8:44:46 GMT -6
Ding dong the witch is dead.
Now let’s show some intelligence and go get a proven winner.
The church and tower bells in Muncie should be ringing!
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Post by sweep on Mar 15, 2022 8:47:57 GMT -6
As with Buckley and Taylor before him, I now feel a bit sorry for Whitford. I imagine this represents sort of a crushing of his fondest dreams. Now that he's no longer squatting and taking up the position from which a better coach could have brought us fun and excitement, my bad feelings for him mostly disappear. I'm sure he WANTED to win...he just couldn't. He did go overboard with the excuses, but that's not an uncommon human trait. Thompson, I did not feel sorry for. He was scum. I wouldn't worry about Whitford. He will make someone a very good assistant and probably get paid as much as he made here. I am not sure washing out at Ball State and formerly being Sean Miller's right hand guy is going to be sought after in the assistant coaches market. He'll eventually land somewhere but it won't be anything great. |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 15, 2022 8:48:51 GMT -6
you are falling back into the hole again. Akron is a 13 seed. Even if we recruit to their level we are not getting closer to what, I assume, is our ultimate goal of making a difference in the tournament. If our goal is to win the MAC and get the auto bid, sure, it’s a gigantic step forward. I’m suggesting if we want to make a final four, a la VCU, we need to be different. At this point if Ball state was even 90% of Akron by 2026 that would be a MASSIVE upgrade over what the program has been since 2002-03. Just saying. How you measure that 90% is a good question.
Despite the significant disparity in emphasis on basketball between BSU and the top programs in the MAC, we may be closer than you think. What makes it hard is this is a very competitive conference, and fairly small differences can create fairly large differences in outcomes.
If we find the resources to upgrade staff salary and split the funding difference with those programs we will see a change.
Yeah, I know, Sherm assures us money doesn't really matter. Unfortunately, markets exist. The leaders in the other programs haven't just wasted resources and giving them an advantage has not been easy to overcome.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 15, 2022 8:53:54 GMT -6
Ding dong the witch is dead. Now let’s show some intelligence and go get a proven winner. Hopefully we will not use fairy tale magical thinking instead.
The populace here may believe in the Great Oz, but unless Beth Goetz does more than wear ruby slippers, find a cowardly lion, a tin man and scarecrow who overachieve as our the next staff, we aren't going to see the results we want.
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Post by sweep on Mar 15, 2022 9:02:54 GMT -6
Ding dong the witch is dead. Now let’s show some intelligence and go get a proven winner. Hopefully we will not use fairy tale magical thinking instead.
The populace here may believe in the Great Oz, but unless Beth Goetz does more than wear ruby slippers, find a cowardly lion, a tin man and scarecrow who overachieve as our the next staff, we aren't going to see the results we want.
Are you smoking dope again ? WTF........... |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 15, 2022 9:03:56 GMT -6
Just got an email from cvc stating whit has been fired. That's a new one Yeah I got that as well, odd because I haven't given money to the CVC in almost twenty years. edit: I take that back I gave them $10 in this years fundraiser, $5 for each of Whitford's two Conference Tourney victories. That probably explains why I got it. oh shit I forgot we did that lol. I kinda feel bad now |
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