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Post by thebsukid on Mar 18, 2022 15:51:55 GMT -6
Craig Neal was born in Muncie and had a pretty long playing career before Coaching! Was Assistant under Alford.
He might be willing to leave Associate Head Coach job at Nevada!
He would be a solid choice.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 18, 2022 15:59:41 GMT -6
Florida AD likes gambling on lower level coaches with proven HC records.
I can go with that.
He can gamble and afford to lose on a bet of 18mil for 6 years.
Our next hire will be more than $340K for 5 years and we won't be able to afford a buyout then any more than we have recently.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Mar 18, 2022 16:07:40 GMT -6
Speaking of St. Mary’s. I believe that was a bucket list job for Majerus. Never happened.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 18, 2022 16:17:45 GMT -6
Not everything. But money counts in almost all cases where there is competition for talent.
If you see anything like that possible at a MAC school, I do not. Losers look for excuses for why things can't happen. Winners get it done. I'm tired of listening to excuses. We've had winners here. The only things keeping us from winning is incompetence and apathy.
If your logic holds why after being winners for more than a decade did BSU not continue winning? There is some truth in that winning helps you continue winning. Why did it stop if we were such winners and that is all that is needed?
A sudden onset of incompetence and apathy? I think not, we were full of incompetence and a good deal of apathy in an athletic department that was busy planning how to spend all the money that Worthen Arena was going to automatically produce.
Because?
"We're winning, it's worked for 10 years, just keep doing it the BSU way...hire assistants cheap...no need to upgrade."
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Post by cbcjanney on Mar 18, 2022 18:51:21 GMT -6
I will be shocked if Terry Johnson isn’t at least interviewed!! Of course anyone in the tournament can’t talk till their team is out!!So you're saying Florida had no contact whatsoever with Todd Golden of San Francisco until after midnight last night when the Dons lost to Murray St. yet by 1:00 this afternoon the Gators had cleared all of the bureaucratic hurdles and approvals necessary to commit $18 million over 6 years?
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 18, 2022 19:24:01 GMT -6
I will be shocked if Terry Johnson isn’t at least interviewed!! Of course anyone in the tournament can’t talk till their team is out!!So you're saying Florida had no contact whatsoever with Todd Golden of San Francisco until after midnight last night when the Dons lost to Murray St. yet by 1:00 this afternoon the Gators had cleared all of the bureaucratic hurdles and approvals necessary to commit $18 million over 6 years? Two different questions. An issue about what an agent for Golden can do, and entirely different question about UF preparation for a commitment.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 18, 2022 21:36:16 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 18, 2022 22:53:15 GMT -6
The question is whether we want to compare to all mid majors or the top mid major conferences, and whether "not so bad" is good enough to attract top coaches in that marketplace. And of course whether not so bad results make us happy.
Information we need also includes all other incentives, perks, and outside income opportunities which are relevant. And staff salaries and other support.
Looking at total BB budget is sometimes deceptive, but helpful. Better than HC salary alone probably.
We are not better and have not been in most other BB metrics than not so bad for a long time.
I'm not sure how to project our future athletic budget. How will we compare to other MAC schools in next few years?
Hard to see why we would be better?
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Post by BSUBeachBum on Mar 19, 2022 0:03:41 GMT -6
The BSU Job may appeal to Michael Lewis for another reason as his "back-up" plan & a TSIB "back-up plan". No one has a crystal ball on the success of running the BSU Program or TSIB having a sustained success with their program. We have had a head coach leave our program to later become a TSIB National Champion. We have had what was deemed an unsuccessful head coach fired to later become an TSIB assistant head coach. SUCCESS AT BSU - He has a great opportunity to stay or go to TSIB if they are unsuccessful and/or Woody retires with Dan Fife possibly not next in line at TSIB. Past history shows the BSU Head Coach position can lead to other possible coaching positions (i.e. we had a successful head coach go to Wisconsin, also). Our John E. Worthen Arena & "new" training facility makes the job more appealing to obtain success for whoever is picked by Beth Goetz. I am hoping for a successful coach that will stay for the long haul.
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Post by BSUBeachBum on Mar 19, 2022 0:14:52 GMT -6
I would prefer Michael Lewis and/or Terry Johnson over Craig Neal. Warning: This will be an age discrimination statement. Coach Neal/Coach Alford are both a little long in the tooth & should be settled at Nevada. Coach Woody, Coach Neal, & Coach Alford are reaching the retirement years of their career. Would Coach Neal have the time to build a strong program - What would be his plan to make it successful quickly?
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Post by BSUBeachBum on Mar 19, 2022 0:21:50 GMT -6
A Michael Lewis & Terry Johnson "combo" could be successful at Ball State or their former employer Butler. Why not go for both (budget notwithstanding)?
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Post by chirpsquared on Mar 19, 2022 4:37:00 GMT -6
The question is whether we want to compare to all mid majors or the top mid major conferences, and whether "not so bad" is good enough to attract top coaches in that marketplace. And of course whether not so bad results make us happy. Information we need also includes all other incentives, perks, and outside income opportunities which are relevant. And staff salaries and other support. Looking at total BB budget is sometimes deceptive, but helpful. Better than HC salary alone probably. We are not better and have not been in most other BB metrics than not so bad for a long time. I'm not sure how to project our future athletic budget. How will we compare to other MAC schools in next few years? Hard to see why we would be better? Surprisingly don't disagree with this. Ball State is 11th in funding in the MAC for men's basketball and has been. That's crazy to me.
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Post by coastalcard on Mar 19, 2022 5:44:01 GMT -6
The BSU Job may appeal to Michael Lewis for another reason as his "back-up" plan & a TSIB "back-up plan". No one has a crystal ball on the success of running the BSU Program or TSIB having a sustained success with their program. We have had a head coach leave our program to later become a TSIB National Champion. We have had what was deemed an unsuccessful head coach fired to later become an TSIB assistant head coach. SUCCESS AT BSU - He has a great opportunity to stay or go to TSIB if they are unsuccessful and/or Woody retires with Dan Fife possibly not next in line at TSIB. Past history shows the BSU Head Coach position can lead to other possible coaching positions (i.e. we had a successful head coach go to Wisconsin, also). Our John E. Worthen Arena & "new" training facility makes the job more appealing to obtain success for whoever is picked by Beth Goetz. I am hoping for a successful coach that will stay for the long haul. TSIB basketball alums may be fearful of the great Dukich Experiment where he thought he would leave the nest and make an easy head coach name for himself in the MAC with visions of returning in glory to the Limestone Castle. They probably still tell this legendary story to TSIB assistants........
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 19, 2022 8:04:23 GMT -6
As much as many on this board have espoused a more non-traditional approach to hiring the next coach, we seem to be easily distracted when names like Lewis, Johnson, Neal pop up.
I think these guys, along with Darner, are appealing in part because they have some link to the area. In addition to maybe some false idea that it'll help them with recruiting, there's this hope that if they are successful, that link will keep them around longer, that they might not be as inclined to bounce off with the first decent offer from a bigger program.
OTOH, most of those guys don't have much experience as a HC. Darner probably has the most. What the hell do we really know about them and the style of ball they want to play? You can't trust anything their head coaches say; they're merely acting as their agents. Do they truly recognize that they probably just can't pick up the game they're coaching at UCLA or Purdue or Nevada and put it on the court in Worthen?
Do they realized that to be successful they're really going to have to focus on fundamentals and hard-nosed play because the average athlete they're going to be recruiting at this level (even if they are good recruiters) are not going to be at the same level they're been recruiting. Oh, we'll all hope they snag a gem or two, but that won't be the meat and potatoes of the team.
Of the four coaches mentioned so far in this post, probably Darner should realize that the most.
I'm just saying I have a lot of questions about all these guys. Not about to buy in just because they'e big(ger) school assistants and are the hot names and low-hanging fruit for all those experts out there who are supposed to know what's going on in the coaching world. That doesn't mean one of them might not make a great coach; just saying Goetz will surely be digging a lot deeper than anything our superficial conversation covers.
And I still hope she's taking a strong look at winning coaches at those lower levels because I still tend to think those are the guys where you'll really have a much better idea of what you're getting.
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Post by birdybird on Mar 19, 2022 8:12:38 GMT -6
The BSU Job may appeal to Michael Lewis for another reason as his "back-up" plan & a TSIB "back-up plan". No one has a crystal ball on the success of running the BSU Program or TSIB having a sustained success with their program. We have had a head coach leave our program to later become a TSIB National Champion. We have had what was deemed an unsuccessful head coach fired to later become an TSIB assistant head coach. SUCCESS AT BSU - He has a great opportunity to stay or go to TSIB if they are unsuccessful and/or Woody retires with Dan Fife possibly not next in line at TSIB. Past history shows the BSU Head Coach position can lead to other possible coaching positions (i.e. we had a successful head coach go to Wisconsin, also). Our John E. Worthen Arena & "new" training facility makes the job more appealing to obtain success for whoever is picked by Beth Goetz. I am hoping for a successful coach that will stay for the long haul. Stay for the long haul would definitely be ideal, but probably unrealistic. Guess it depends on background
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