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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 19, 2022 18:19:14 GMT -6
As Mills has noted, all the names I'm seeing on this board are of the standard, typical, conventional variety. And, of course, it's extremely doubtful that Goetz has the vision, creativity or confidence to look outside that kind of pool. BSU's financial limitations dictate that BSU will have to settle for one of the lesser conventional candidates, because they will be outbid for the better ones.
Not a terribly inspiring situation but still better than the known failure of Whitford.
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Mar 19, 2022 18:52:39 GMT -6
Mick Cronin, "The Ball State job is open. You couldn't possibly draw up a better candidate to be the next head coach at Ball State than Michael Lewis in my opinion."
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Mar 19, 2022 20:15:15 GMT -6
Could we see Grunk again? I'd love it Ahh, no. Grunk was a big guy and we could not recruits quality bigs for the most part. Plus being on Whits staff so long, I’m not sure of his recruiting magic. |
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Mar 19, 2022 20:52:50 GMT -6
Ahh, no. Grunk was a big guy and we could not recruits quality bigs for the most part. Plus being on Whits staff so long, I’m not sure of his recruiting magic. Bro what? Grunk was a guard |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 19, 2022 21:03:14 GMT -6
Ahh, no. Grunk was a big guy and we could not recruits quality bigs for the most part. Plus being on Whits staff so long, I’m not sure of his recruiting magic. Bro what? Grunk was a guard A guard with serious range. |
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Mar 19, 2022 21:15:16 GMT -6
Bro what? Grunk was a guard A guard with serious range. At miami during their sweet sixteen run. With wally sczerbiak |
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Post by turboflux on Mar 19, 2022 23:31:05 GMT -6
Only way a coach will stick around the MAC for more than a few years before they get hired up is if they hang around .500. (Exceptions prove the rule). I’d rather have a good coach for a few years than a mediocre one for a decade.
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Post by chirpchirp1980 on Mar 20, 2022 3:09:35 GMT -6
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Post by rgmillikan on Mar 20, 2022 6:08:26 GMT -6
As Mills has noted, all the names I'm seeing on this board are of the standard, typical, conventional variety. And, of course, it's extremely doubtful that Goetz has the vision, creativity or confidence to look outside that kind of pool. BSU's financial limitations dictate that BSU will have to settle for one of the lesser conventional candidates, because they will be outbid for the better ones. Not a terribly inspiring situation but still better than the known failure of Whitford. Who would be a few examples of unconventional candidates? Personally I mostly want to target candidates that have prior HC experience, something Whitford didn't have. Even if that experience is at a lower level than D1. |
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Post by rgmillikan on Mar 20, 2022 6:09:21 GMT -6
Only way a coach will stick around the MAC for more than a few years before they get hired up is if they hang around .500. (Exceptions prove the rule). I’d rather have a good coach for a few years than a mediocre one for a decade. [br 100%. If coaches are getting plucked because BSU is successful, they're doing something right. |
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Mar 20, 2022 7:03:13 GMT -6
As Mills has noted, all the names I'm seeing on this board are of the standard, typical, conventional variety. And, of course, it's extremely doubtful that Goetz has the vision, creativity or confidence to look outside that kind of pool. BSU's financial limitations dictate that BSU will have to settle for one of the lesser conventional candidates, because they will be outbid for the better ones. Not a terribly inspiring situation but still better than the known failure of Whitford. Who would be a few examples of unconventional candidates? Personally I mostly want to target candidates that have prior HC experience, something Whitford didn't have. Even if that experience is at a lower level than D1. I’m not up to speed on specific names, but an unconventional candidate would be someone from a lower division, or a womens team coach, or even someone from something outside of basketball, while a conventional candidate would be an assistant from another school…. We will end up with the conventional most likely - because it’s safer if you are the AD to do so |
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Post by thebsukid on Mar 20, 2022 7:06:00 GMT -6
Ted Lasso
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Post by birdybird on Mar 20, 2022 7:49:30 GMT -6
Who would be a few examples of unconventional candidates? Personally I mostly want to target candidates that have prior HC experience, something Whitford didn't have. Even if that experience is at a lower level than D1. I’m not up to speed on specific names, but an unconventional candidate would be someone from a lower division, or a womens team coach, or even someone from something outside of basketball, while a conventional candidate would be an assistant from another school…. We will end up with the conventional most likely - because it’s safer if you are the AD to do so Status quo, power 5 asst. Plenty without jobs right now so. Might not be in the position to make demands of needing more like salary and budget to be successful. |
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Post by rgmillikan on Mar 20, 2022 8:10:17 GMT -6
Id rather just promote Darner than hire another Whitford resume clone, aka power 5 assistant if they're unwilling to look at some unorthodox candidates. I highly doubt Darner would refuse the position. I'm sure when he accepted the associate head coach position that he was aware that Whitford was on semi shaky ground. At least Darner is not cookie cutter hire compared to Buckley, Thompson, Taylor and Whit. Granted BT of those 4 did have some head coaching experience at low majors.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 20, 2022 8:58:08 GMT -6
Cronin's obviously campaigning for Lewis, which at least indicates Lewis wants the job. I'd certainly talk to him.
Some of the lower division names that have been brought up on this thread have been Ben McCollum, Eric Echelbarger, Greg Tonagel. I think there are a lot of guys like this out there with varying degrees of success. I think McCollum is coaching at his alma mater. That might be his dream job. Someone suggested Tonagel might be waiting for Valpo. Could be.
Kid threw out Ted Lasso as a joke, but is there a European coach out there who'd be interested? As an AD I doubt I would go searching there but if someone reached out to me I might listen.
I feel like Darner has become this fall-back choice for us fans at least. Kinda like a "well, if we can't find anybody better," but maybe he should be more than that. Since he's been on campus a year and I'm sure he and Goetz have talked, she knows at what level he actually is a candidate, whether he's that fall-back guy or a leading candidate. He certainly would check a lot of boxes superficially (area guy, head coaching experience, knows the state and recruiting area). I'm not familiar with his teams so I don't how he likes to play, what the characteristics of a Darner coached team are. I know he's more fiery than Whitford, but that's not saying much.
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