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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Mar 20, 2022 9:03:07 GMT -6
Bro what? Grunk was a guard A guard with serious range. Ooops. That's what I get for not being there. Not sure why I thought that. Maybe he was a VERY TALL guard, lol. My bad. Still don't favor the tie to the last coach. I'm sure he is great guy as everyone seemed to like him. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 20, 2022 10:32:19 GMT -6
As Mills has noted, all the names I'm seeing on this board are of the standard, typical, conventional variety. And, of course, it's extremely doubtful that Goetz has the vision, creativity or confidence to look outside that kind of pool. BSU's financial limitations dictate that BSU will have to settle for one of the lesser conventional candidates, because they will be outbid for the better ones. Not a terribly inspiring situation but still better than the known failure of Whitford. Who would be a few examples of unconventional candidates? Personally I mostly want to target candidates that have prior HC experience, something Whitford didn't have. Even if that experience is at a lower level than D1. Since I don't have the time, interest, or resources to do an analysis and search for potential candidates, any candidate I know of would be widely known and thus either lacking in some way, or else the object of an intensive bidding war. Just like all the names that have been floated on this forum. If I were AD, I would do an intensive analysis of all mid-major coaches from outside the usual candidate pool that have had success. Find the commonalities and correlations. Search and advertise among the indicated group(s). HS coaches being the most obvious pool. In a university setting, Goetz has access to a large group of intelligent people with analytic and data skills, and they tend to be not quite as busy as people in other environments. The first thing this requires though, is the willingness to step away from the well-worn path of coach hiring. I'd be absolutely shocked if Goetz has the guts or creativity to do this. She's a creature of the establishment, her career advancement prospects are greatly enhanced by the current dogma and fashions of the establishment. Doubt she'll step one inch outside the conventional wisdom. We'll get the Claude Rains candidate pool. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 20, 2022 10:34:40 GMT -6
I am very intrigued by the possibility of a European coach. Maybe an American who is currently over there? But I haven't taken the first step toward seriously investigating this avenue...nor will I. Maybe it's a total dead-end.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 20, 2022 19:39:14 GMT -6
I appreciate Don Purvis a little more with every year that goes by.  |
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Post by turboflux on Mar 20, 2022 19:43:32 GMT -6
Someone made the point that Cronin wouldn’t have tweeted his Michael Lewis promo without Lewis’ knowledge. This is almost certainly true. Hell Lewis probably wrote the tweet and asked Cronin to post.
It’s all wrong until it’s right! lol
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Mar 20, 2022 21:16:13 GMT -6
Someone made the point that Cronin wouldn’t have tweeted his Michael Lewis promo without Lewis’ knowledge. This is almost certainly true. Hell Lewis probably wrote the tweet and asked Cronin to post. It’s all wrong until it’s right! lol You're probably right, but I don't understand why he would try to get his assistant the Ball State Basketball job. Like honestly, who cares? He should've tapped him for the South Carolina or Rhode Island or Xavier or something. That'd make sense. But Ball State? Come on. If you were at UCLA as Cronin's top assistant, why would you leave California to come to Muncie, Indiana? Makes no sense to me. |
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Post by turboflux on Mar 20, 2022 21:45:59 GMT -6
Someone made the point that Cronin wouldn’t have tweeted his Michael Lewis promo without Lewis’ knowledge. This is almost certainly true. Hell Lewis probably wrote the tweet and asked Cronin to post. It’s all wrong until it’s right! lol You're probably right, but I don't understand why he would try to get his assistant the Ball State Basketball job. Like honestly, who cares? He should've tapped him for the South Carolina or Rhode Island or Xavier or something. That'd make sense. But Ball State? Come on. If you were at UCLA as Cronin's top assistant, why would you leave California to come to Muncie, Indiana? Makes no sense to me. Not sure! But thought being, it’s coming from Lewis, and Cronin is merely offering his support. Not everyone prefers California to small town Indiana. There’s a lot we don’t know. Maybe Lewis feels he has a legit shot at the BSU HC spot whereas the other schools you mentioned, for reasons unknown, not so much. |
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 20, 2022 22:05:28 GMT -6
If you were at UCLA as Cronin's top assistant, why would you leave California to come to Muncie, Indiana? Makes no sense to me. In addition to what Turboflux noted regarding the potential appeal of Indiana for Lewis, I wouldn't consider Lewis the top assistant at UCLA. In fact he's probably the third assistant if you really wanted to prioritize them. The other two assistants have quite a bit more experience and the associate HC has been with Cronin since his Cincy days. |
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Post by nazcard on Mar 20, 2022 23:34:37 GMT -6
You're probably right, but I don't understand why he would try to get his assistant the Ball State Basketball job. Like honestly, who cares? He should've tapped him for the South Carolina or Rhode Island or Xavier or something. That'd make sense. But Ball State? Come on. If you were at UCLA as Cronin's top assistant, why would you leave California to come to Muncie, Indiana? Makes no sense to me. Lewis is not the current top assistant at UCLA; that would be Darren Savino, Associate Head Coach. Lewis is an Assistant Coach; why would it be unusual for a HC to try to help an assistant to an upward position (i.e. from an assistant to HC)? Cronin and Lewis both have Midwest ties (Cronin HC@UC, Lewis player@IU, assistant@Nebraska, etc.). So if Lewis aspires to be a DI HC, why wouldn't Cronin try to help? Ball State would be a natural "potential stepping stone". When Whitford was being considered as HC at Ball State, Sean Miller advised him to take the job, if offered. I would imagine Whitford supported Grunkmeyer in his pursuit of the position in South Carolina and more than likely he was supportive of Crenshaw in pursuing the IUPUI HC position, albeit, given how things have regressed at IUPUI for Crenshaw, that may have been a mistake. uclabruins.com/sports/mens-basketball/coaches |
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Post by bsu0 on Mar 21, 2022 9:04:27 GMT -6
The AD will probably name some no name from the Big Ten...no one will care
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Post by sweep on Mar 21, 2022 9:26:21 GMT -6
Rumor is Holtmann might be heading back to Butler, not sure what I think of this one.
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Post by 87grad on Mar 21, 2022 10:41:51 GMT -6
Rumor is Holtmann might be heading back to Butler, not sure what I think of this one. That would be an unconventional move to say the least. Going from a school that has truckloads of cash parked around campus to a school that has the smallest budget in their conference. |
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Mar 21, 2022 10:50:43 GMT -6
You're probably right, but I don't understand why he would try to get his assistant the Ball State Basketball job. Like honestly, who cares? He should've tapped him for the South Carolina or Rhode Island or Xavier or something. That'd make sense. But Ball State? Come on. If you were at UCLA as Cronin's top assistant, why would you leave California to come to Muncie, Indiana? Makes no sense to me. Lewis is not the current top assistant at UCLA; that would be Darren Savino, Associate Head Coach. Lewis is an Assistant Coach; why would it be unusual for a HC to try to help an assistant to an upward position (i.e. from an assistant to HC)? Cronin and Lewis both have Midwest ties (Cronin HC@UC, Lewis player@IU, assistant@Nebraska, etc.). So if Lewis aspires to be a DI HC, why wouldn't Cronin try to help? Ball State would be a natural "potential stepping stone". When Whitford was being considered as HC at Ball State, Sean Miller advised him to take the job, if offered. I would imagine Whitford supported Grunkmeyer in his pursuit of the position in South Carolina and more than likely he was supportive of Crenshaw in pursuing the IUPUI HC position, albeit, given how things have regressed at IUPUI for Crenshaw, that may have been a mistake. uclabruins.com/sports/mens-basketball/coachesImagine spelling Grunkemeyer wrong... Also, Grunk works at a high school. I'm pretty sure there wasn't much to 'pursue' there. It ain't that hard to get a job as a private high school coach. |
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Post by sweep on Mar 21, 2022 10:59:00 GMT -6
Rumor is Holtmann might be heading back to Butler, not sure what I think of this one. That would be an unconventional move to say the least. Going from a school that has truckloads of cash parked around campus to a school that has the smallest budget in their conference. Yeah but it's basically the same thing Shaka Smart did when he left Texas and took the Marquette job. You need to remember Butler's budget is smaller partially because, unlike some BigEast programs, they don't make lease or debt service payments on an arena. He is making $3 million a year at OSU, but he will likely get canned after next season. He can probably get a little over $2 million a year at Butler on a five or six year contract. It's really a smart move if he is ready to leave. |
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Post by birdybird on Mar 21, 2022 11:37:10 GMT -6
Cronin's obviously campaigning for Lewis, which at least indicates Lewis wants the job. I'd certainly talk to him. Some of the lower division names that have been brought up on this thread have been Ben McCollum, Eric Echelbarger, Greg Tonagel. I think there are a lot of guys like this out there with varying degrees of success. I think McCollum is coaching at his alma mater. That might be his dream job. Someone suggested Tonagel might be waiting for Valpo. Could be. Kid threw out Ted Lasso as a joke, but is there a European coach out there who'd be interested? As an AD I doubt I would go searching there but if someone reached out to me I might listen. I feel like Darner has become this fall-back choice for us fans at least. Kinda like a "well, if we can't find anybody better," but maybe he should be more than that. Since he's been on campus a year and I'm sure he and Goetz have talked, she knows at what level he actually is a candidate, whether he's that fall-back guy or a leading candidate. He certainly would check a lot of boxes superficially (area guy, head coaching experience, knows the state and recruiting area). I'm not familiar with his teams so I don't how he likes to play, what the characteristics of a Darner coached team are. I know he's more fiery than Whitford, but that's not saying much. Agree on all points, Darner may be the fall back choice but he’s won 66% of his games lots of conference championships, a national Title and took Green Bay back to NCAA tournament. We all think it even if some haven’t said it BSU will go with Power 5 guy(kind of seems like definition of insanity based on past hires). History is a pretty good indicator. |
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