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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Mar 15, 2022 16:31:36 GMT -6
They're gonna hire Terry Johnson. He worked with Beth. Well they were both employed by the same University at the same time. I don't think they worked with each other. They knew each other. I could see it. |
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Post by bsuswoop on Mar 15, 2022 18:18:56 GMT -6
I'm frustrated enough to register and post. I just don't think the admins care about basketball enough. There's no reason we can't do better. I believe we need a guy from the region who will take his time to build something and make people really rally around the program.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 15, 2022 18:22:45 GMT -6
I'm frustrated enough to register and post. I just don't think the admins care about basketball enough. There's no reason we can't do better. I believe we need a guy from the region who will take his time to build something and make people really rally around the program. by the region do you mean northwest Indiana "region" or region meaning east central Indiana |
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Post by bsuswoop on Mar 15, 2022 18:29:31 GMT -6
I don't mean hyper regional but someone with a background in the midwest, preferably Indiana because of the unique basketball culture. I think a program builder who won't use the school as a stepping stone is better than the guy who makes only the quick fix to get the next job.
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Post by redbirdman on Mar 15, 2022 18:37:08 GMT -6
Didn't Johnson play at Anderson under Norm Held? I still would to hire a coach who has been or is a head coach.
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Post by bsuswoop on Mar 15, 2022 18:46:51 GMT -6
I still would to hire a coach who has been or is a head coach. I think so, too. I know Fife was too young when he was a HC the first time around but maybe he's ready now. However, I also think he'd be thinking stepping stone. Mark Slessinger at New Orleans looks like the type who can benefit from more resources. |
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 15, 2022 18:58:00 GMT -6
I still would to hire a coach who has been or is a head coach. I think so, too. I know Fife was too young when he was a HC the first time around but maybe he's ready now. However, I also think he'd be thinking stepping stone. Mark Slessinger at New Orleans looks like the type who can benefit from more resources. I think the flaw in your logic is twofold. First, Ball State and every other MAC school IS a stepping stone position. That’s a fact but if you hire right that’s OK. Second, I’m not sure we have more resources than New Orleans or even Muncie Central at this point. We have a great facility and a basketball rich legacy in our town. Indiana can be a good recruiting base. But our coffers are not overflowing with corporate sponsors currently and sport specific giving to men’s basketball has sucked recently largely because we’ve had a coach who hasn’t won consistently and was not great at engaging donors and alums. This hire is really important and we must get it right. |
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Post by bsuswoop on Mar 15, 2022 19:05:10 GMT -6
I suppose you're right on the stepping stone part but it would be good if we could get someone who has stayed somewhere awhile and tried to build something. Cycling through quick fixers until one hits is another method.
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Post by universityjim on Mar 15, 2022 19:26:35 GMT -6
Winners find a way to win. Losers make excuses. Right now we are losers. The attitude needs to change. We could throw double Whitford's salary at a coach and we'll still be losers if the attitude doesn't change.
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Post by sweep on Mar 15, 2022 19:29:32 GMT -6
I still would to hire a coach who has been or is a head coach.................. You mean like Billy Taylor |
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Post by cardsfan606 on Mar 15, 2022 19:54:15 GMT -6
I’m not against the smaller school route but looking at Dennis Gates for Cleveland State, quick turnaround for them. Came from Florida state. Just need to do homework on EVERYBODY
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Post by mattg on Mar 16, 2022 4:54:36 GMT -6
I’m not against the smaller school route but looking at Dennis Gates for Cleveland State, quick turnaround for them. Came from Florida state. Just need to do homework on EVERYBODY If Gates leaves soon, he’s gonna get a P5 job. I think he’s out of our league realistically, but would be a great get for us. |
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Post by Hoopsmith on Mar 16, 2022 6:57:49 GMT -6
I still would to hire a coach who has been or is a head coach.................. You mean like Billy TaylorI actually did not think Taylor did that poorly here, considering what he started with and some outside factors blew up one of his best teams. His problem was he didn't have much fire or charisma, and coached a nearly-unwatchable style of play. He was another non-boat-rocking nice guy who was better as an assistant. In other words, the classic BSU hire, like three or our last four (or some might even say four out of five) coaches. |
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Post by coastalcard on Mar 16, 2022 7:42:53 GMT -6
Let's not be delusional. Ball State might be considered a career-killer job for any known "up and comer". Like Vanderbilt in SEC football or Nebraska in Big10 basketball.
That's why the Sherman Plan was proposed. An unknown who doesn't know there might not be light at the end of this tunnel and who considers $200k to be like winning the PowerBall.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 16, 2022 8:13:07 GMT -6
Let's not be delusional. Ball State might be considered a career-killer job for any known "up and comer". Like Vanderbilt in SEC football or Nebraska in Big10 basketball. That's why the Sherman Plan was proposed. An unknown who doesn't know there might not be light at the end of this tunnel and who considers $200k to be like winning the PowerBall. This might be more accurate than we think. Not only does the local beat reporter consider the BSU job "lower tier in the MAC" so does cbssports. I am not saying either are experts or correct, but, there does appear to be a perception out there that the bsu job is not great and its harder to win at bsu than we fans think. (I personally don't see that--we were not that far off from being able to compete this year. Just needed competent coaching and more consistent play) I honestly think the right coach who has the ability to develop players and get the most out of them can win at BSU. Whit DID bring in some nice talent over his tenure, but you look at how those players regressed or stagnated over their time and THAT is/was the issue. He should have won more than he did given the talent he had. If we can find a young, energetic guy who gets maximum effort from his players and is able to relate well publicly then we should have a winner. And I don't think we have to break the bank to do it. I've looked more into Terry Johnson and I'm a bit more interested than I initially was. Local guy. Played two sports in college. Played at varying levels of schools. Has had just about every kind of job other than HC in college at all kinds of levels, from administrative/director of ops to defensive coordinator at Ohio St. and offense coordinator at Purdue. Brad Stevens valued him at Butler. Holtmann at OSU said last year that Johnson will make a good HC. He intentionally took the job at Purdue to learn more about coaching offense to become more well rounded as a coach for when he's ready to be a HC, so he's not one dimensionally minded. He wants to see and understand the whole game. He might just very well be a good candidate. I understand why his name was propped up immediately. But, we'll see how it all plays out. |
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