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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 23, 2022 18:37:44 GMT -6
I ask this here just cause I want some opinions from people completely detached from the situation. I have my opinion that I will share after some convo
The situation is this and involves my sons 7th grade team. There has been some drama and a few parents have taken it to social media
The long and short of it is this there are a couple
of kids on the team that have played zero snaps this season and a good amount who have only seen special teams snap. It all boiled over last night when we were leading 28 to nothing in the 4th. The staff did start to insert some kids but still a couple did not get any snaps
The main parent took to social media which caused a bit of a shitstorm with other parents piling on. It should be said the son of main parent did not attend one summer session. He also missed the first two weeks of practice and leaves practice twice a week early because of club wrestling. His son also quit the team for a week earlier this month
There are a couple others who have not played at all though who have been at most team related practices. I don’t coach so be as honest as you like
At what point do sports become real in 7th grade should all the kids be in at some point? Should the coaches be playing everyone etc etc
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Post by cardfan on Sept 23, 2022 19:14:40 GMT -6
A: parents taking it to social media is pure bullshit and ultimately only hurts the kids.
B: don’t know situations, but in 7th grade on up I personally think if you don’t earn seeing the field then you shouldn’t see it. Life isn’t fair.
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Post by BSUMike on Sept 23, 2022 19:22:53 GMT -6
My son plays 4th grade, and every kid gets a minimum of 10 plays. I think that is appropriate for 4th grade. 7th grade I don’t think a coach should be required to play all the kids. However, if the kid is at every practice and works hard, I think the coach could at least get him in 1 special teams play. How many players on team? Might not be able to get all kids in every game, but every kid should get a chance to get on the field at least once. My 2 cents.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 23, 2022 19:23:49 GMT -6
Unfortunately no absolutes. Probably not quite real sports yet.
Tough to balance development, player welfare, and winning.
Need team rules on practice...
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 23, 2022 20:05:24 GMT -6
Some more 40 kids that’s a lot especially only playing 7 minute quarters
Special teams have been made up of mostly bench players all year
At the parents meeting it was said multiple times there are no guarantees playing time will be earned
There are a handful of kids that play both ways and never leave the field
The taking it to social media has been the worst. It’s pitted parents who have been friends into taking cheap shots and doing the my kids better than your stuff
And of course the old it’s all about who you know and how much money you have argument
I’ve kept my mouth shut I’m not getting involved with that
I will say this though it’s true that about 5 kids have never stepped foot on the field another 15 ish have played very little 99% spec teams. 20 kids have played 99% of the snaps
There have been 2 games where we were dominating and 4 games that were not decided until 4th quarter
I know of 4 kids that made critical mistakes in a game and they either did not play or played significantly less the next game. One was my son. After approaching the staff himself he was told you want your spot back you fight to get it back.
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Post by lmills72 on Sept 23, 2022 20:44:16 GMT -6
I'd say that at the 7th grade level you're officially in the high school pipeline, and I would think maybe the high school coach would have some sway with how he would like the 7th-grade coach(es) to handle things. Does the high school coach really want 40 kids from the 7th grade or is he OK with just the top 20?
20 per class gives him an 80-player roster at the high school level. How many do they need to fill whatever teams they have. Would I be correct in assuming Delta doesn't need 160 kids in its high school football program? Does it have Freshman, JV and Varsity teams?
At some point you need to start thinning the herd. Might be a bit harsh but that should probably start at the junior high level. Some kids will stick with it even if they don't play. I'm a big fan of kids playing multiple sports, but maybe the kids thinned from the football group will find their calling elsewhere, whether that's another athletic team, something academic or another extracurricular.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Sept 23, 2022 20:45:23 GMT -6
1) if you dont put work in you shouldnt get rewarded
2) if nobody is paying to watch it, let everyone who puts the work in play
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 23, 2022 20:46:50 GMT -6
Yes delta has freshman JV and varsity and yes the high school coach is ultimately in charge but it appears to be 8th grade coach who is really calling the shots at practice. Sub patterns are purely 7th grade coaches
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Post by BSUMike on Sept 23, 2022 20:50:57 GMT -6
40 kids is a lot, and 7 minute quarters makes it very tough to get a lot of players in the game. I feel bad for the kids that don’t get to play, but it sounds like there are just too many players on the team.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 23, 2022 21:01:29 GMT -6
Good stuff though.. I will say this if I were coaching I would have pulled all the starters in the two games that were out of hand. I also do not think I would have kids playing both ways unless absolutely needed. Other than that I’m fine with the way things have been handled. I had not thought about thinning the herd my only concern with that is some of these kids have hit puberty and some have not so you might run off a kid who could potentially be better than what you have. Now my kid has started 5/6 games so I might feel differently if he were one of the other ones.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 24, 2022 4:21:57 GMT -6
This age tricky, a kid can physically mentally change and grow so quickly.
Kids held back for sports could be more mature AND also a year or more older compared to a young kid who could be also a late developer and maybe entered school early.
The mental maturity? We see issues there in college...
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Post by CallingBS on Sept 24, 2022 6:49:35 GMT -6
I ask this here just cause I want some opinions from people completely detached from the situation. I have my opinion that I will share after some convo The situation is this and involves my sons 7th grade team. There has been some drama and a few parents have taken it to social media The long and short of it is this there are a couple of kids on the team that have played zero snaps this season and a good amount who have only seen special teams snap. It all boiled over last night when we were leading 28 to nothing in the 4th. The staff did start to insert some kids but still a couple did not get any snaps The main parent took to social media which caused a bit of a shitstorm with other parents piling on. It should be said the son of main parent did not attend one summer session. He also missed the first two weeks of practice and leaves practice twice a week early because of club wrestling. His son also quit the team for a week earlier this month There are a couple others who have not played at all though who have been at most team related practices. I don’t coach so be as honest as you like At what point do sports become real in 7th grade should all the kids be in at some point? Should the coaches be playing everyone etc etc Middle school time should be earned. Parents have become a huge problem. However, given the details you shared, that kid shouldn't even be on the team, so the coaches brought a lot of this on themselves. Quit for a week? Leaves practice early twice a week? Not committed during workouts? Having said that, middle school sports can be very weird and discombobulated. Often you have teachers coaching and they don't always know what they're doing. They also tend to play kids they know and are more connected to, i.e., kids that live on their neighborhood and even hang out at their house. I've seen kids never get pulled who were absolutely struggling and just not good, so it goes both ways. But as Card Fan said, taking crap to social media does no good, and generates a mob. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 24, 2022 7:23:08 GMT -6
I coached around 28 seasons of youth sports in 5 different sports. The least serious was Kindergarten basketball, which was obviously an everyone plays situation, to 8th grade travel soccer, which was quite competitive. So there is a continuum of seriousness and I've experienced all the various levels.
I would say that by 7th grade football, things have reached a more competitive level, nobody should feel ENTITLED to any playing time, and it's time for the kids to start experiencing some of the realities of sports and life. Having said that, it sounds to me like the coach is a dick. At 28-0 in the 4th quarter a coach with any class at all would reward kids who have practiced all season. Some times you should do things you're not necessarily OBLIGATED to do, just because they're the right thing to do. But parents of kids who have only partially committed to the team should probably STFU.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 24, 2022 8:16:52 GMT -6
This age tricky, a kid can physically mentally change and grow so quickly. Kids held back for sports could be more mature AND also a year or more older compared to a young kid who could be also a late developer and maybe entered school early. The mental maturity? We see issues there in college... This is true my son is the youngest he could be in 6th grade while our best kid was held back and should be in 8th. BS is correct the 8th grade coach is an 8th grade teacher who played in a high school and I’m not sure where the 7th grade coach from. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 24, 2022 8:19:31 GMT -6
I do think the 7th grade coach has the right kids playing though some of the questionable kids are just horrible. While a lot of the group of 20 have been playing since k
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