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Oct 30, 2022 11:01:38 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Oct 30, 2022 11:01:38 GMT -6
What does "soft" mean? It has to mean velocity, and the closely related factor, trajectory. right? Then there is also rotation and right/left accuracy, but I don't think these apply to this discussion as I don't think they affect the strength of a bounce off the rim. These are the only things the shooter can control. there is no such thing as "softness".
There is a certain trajectory that allows the minimum velocity. I imagine that this is also the ideal shooting trajectory for making shots. If you shoot at either a flatter or higher trajectory, it takes more velocity to reach the basket. Minimum velocity is advantageous in that it takes less strength/effort and minimizes the bounce off the rim (thus increasing the chances it hits the rim but still falls in)
Judging by the way some people talk, it seems they actually believe in something called "softness" separate from both physics and reality. What they are really observing is optimal trajectory and minimum velocity. Possibly also better left/right accuracy.
anyway, are we saying Bumbalough shoots a flatter-than-optimal trajectory? It doesn't seem this would affect streakiness...just overall accuracy.
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Oct 30, 2022 11:04:25 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Oct 30, 2022 11:04:25 GMT -6
Thinking further, I guess increased rotation could keep the ball from bouncing past the rim, which would help the chances of bouncing in. Not sure if this is actually a significant factor within the range of actual differences in player shot rotation
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Oct 30, 2022 12:21:00 GMT -6
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Post by coastalcard on Oct 30, 2022 12:21:00 GMT -6
We can agree Luke gets too many minutes.
We don't have access to enough stats to draw an accurate conclusion.
What we DO have indicates that Bumbalough is a consistently below average shooter regardless of his minutes.
2029. Min/gm 26. FG% 33. 3pt% 33
2021. Min/gm 29. FG% 38. 3pt% 36
2022. Min/gm 34. FG% 38. 3pt% 36
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Oct 30, 2022 18:10:19 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Oct 30, 2022 18:10:19 GMT -6
Actually we do have access to data that would be very relevant to this discussion. go the the official BSU basketball site - look up past years schedules and results - click on any game - go to box score and then "play by play"
Here you can find all Bumbalough's 3pt attempts with result and game time. From this you could determine streakiness (positive correlation between 3pt % and recent 3 pt %) and any correlations between minutes played in game and subsequent 3pt %,
I would compile all this but uhhh, I'm uhh going out of town. Yeah, that's it, going out of town. So somebody else step up to that statistical plate.
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Oct 30, 2022 18:47:37 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 30, 2022 18:47:37 GMT -6
Another weird bumbalough trait is if he hits his first one early he tends to have a better game
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Oct 30, 2022 19:30:56 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 30, 2022 19:30:56 GMT -6
Doesn't take a statistical analysis to say Bumbalough was playing too many minutes. 30+ is a lot. He's a guy who is challenged to play defense against mostly bigger and/or more athletic players. Had to rely on hustle. That wears you down.
I'm surprised he shot as well as he did.
Calhoun is probably right about getting started, I'd be more interested in how he finished games. My memory could be wrong but I sure don't remember that being a strength.
I sure seem to remember him being less effective late in the season last year. Maybe just frustration with the team and it only seemed that way?
I don't think I have enough curiosity about exhuming last season and reliving it to break it down, but General is right. I suspect he played because it was the best option we had, or hoped he would get hot, but I don't remember anybody here really liking the amount he played
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Nov 2, 2022 22:05:28 GMT -6
Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Nov 2, 2022 22:05:28 GMT -6
I have a source that tells me Luke was recruited as hard as we recruited him partly because of his shooting. Clearly he hasn't adjusted to the college game as well as we thought we might. Remember, he committed to BSU at the end of his junior year. During his junior year, he shot a ridiculous 47% from three. His shot then fell off and dropped to 42% after his senior year, but we still thought he'd be a good shooter at the college level. This is the same guy that shoots a career 35% from three. That's a significant drop.
Luke's also been a very good point guard for us, but the minutes he was getting may have been a little high, especially considering his shot selection and defensive presence(or lack thereof.)
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Post by mjtcpa on Nov 3, 2022 9:08:21 GMT -6
I have a source that tells me Luke was recruited as hard as we recruited him partly because of his shooting. Clearly he hasn't adjusted to the college game as well as we thought we might. Remember, he committed to BSU at the end of his junior year. During his junior year, he shot a ridiculous 47% from three. His shot then fell off and dropped to 42% after his senior year, but we still thought he'd be a good shooter at the college level. This is the same guy that shoots a career 35% from three. That's a significant drop. Luke's also been a very good point guard for us, but the minutes he was getting may have been a little high, especially considering his shot selection and defensive presence(or lack thereof.) There is little doubt that LB’s court time will be dwindling this year. Maybe that will help him focus on developing a role of a scorer coming off the bench. Watching him last year was painful at times. I questioned why Whit played him so much. Bad shot selection (38% fg, 36% 3pt, 7 attempts per game), too slow to effectively get to the rim (only 73 non 3pt shots in 31 games), not being able to draw fouls (60 fta, less than two per game), and the inability to score when he did get to the line (61% ft. – 37/60). Only 1.5 ast per game. One thing he did do very well was minimize his turnovers - .8 per game. If he was playing tired you would think that his turn overs would have increased. I am willing to put his lack of offense / poor shooting on the coaching staff’s offense, if there was one. So much for the rearview mirror. It’s a new season and a new offense. Maybe he can flourish and develop his game to a much higher level. He is a very talented shooter, he puts on an amazing show in the pregame shoot around. Why he can not translate those shots to a game is a mystery. A significant amount of competition for playing time could make hime better. |
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Nov 4, 2022 23:49:23 GMT -6
I have a source that tells me Luke was recruited as hard as we recruited him partly because of his shooting. Clearly he hasn't adjusted to the college game as well as we thought we might. Remember, he committed to BSU at the end of his junior year. During his junior year, he shot a ridiculous 47% from three. His shot then fell off and dropped to 42% after his senior year, but we still thought he'd be a good shooter at the college level. This is the same guy that shoots a career 35% from three. That's a significant drop. Luke's also been a very good point guard for us, but the minutes he was getting may have been a little high, especially considering his shot selection and defensive presence(or lack thereof.) There is little doubt that LB’s court time will be dwindling this year. Maybe that will help him focus on developing a role of a scorer coming off the bench. Watching him last year was painful at times. I questioned why Whit played him so much. Bad shot selection (38% fg, 36% 3pt, 7 attempts per game), too slow to effectively get to the rim (only 73 non 3pt shots in 31 games), not being able to draw fouls (60 fta, less than two per game), and the inability to score when he did get to the line (61% ft. – 37/60). Only 1.5 ast per game. One thing he did do very well was minimize his turnovers - .8 per game. If he was playing tired you would think that his turn overs would have increased. I am willing to put his lack of offense / poor shooting on the coaching staff’s offense, if there was one. So much for the rearview mirror. It’s a new season and a new offense. Maybe he can flourish and develop his game to a much higher level. He is a very talented shooter, he puts on an amazing show in the pregame shoot around. Why he can not translate those shots to a game is a mystery. A significant amount of competition for playing time could make hime better. I'm not sure we can pin the blame on Whit for everything, however much we try. THe fact was, we just weren't that good. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 5, 2022 7:09:18 GMT -6
Exactly. While everyone is obsessed with blaming the failure of the Ball State basketball program on the Ball State basketball coach, other people like Cyndi Lauper, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, and Simon from Alvin and the Chipmunks are completely escaping their responsibility and blame.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 5, 2022 10:35:02 GMT -6
Exactly. While everyone is obsessed with blaming the failure of the Ball State basketball program on the Ball State basketball coach, other people like Cyndi Lauper, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, and Simon from Alvin and the Chipmunks are completely escaping their responsibility and blame. I blame Yamamoto the most. Dude started some shit. |
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Post by sdacardinal on Nov 6, 2022 11:53:04 GMT -6
Yes but we put an end to his shit! To the General. Yes my description of a "soft shot" did/does refer to trajectory and velocity and also the right amount of back spin to give the ball a quiet rim landing and a chance to go in. In my high school days we just called them "hard" or "soft" shots. Trajectory and velocity was what we were talking about but didn't realize it. Left those terms in physics class where I met a greater defeat than Napoleon at Waterloo.
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