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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 26, 2022 19:23:59 GMT -6
You can't say Coleman had a good statistical game since he only hit 4 of 18 shots and did not get to the line at all. That's extremely poor efficiency. But it seems like he had a solid floor game with 8 reb, 2 assists and 2 steals with only 2 TO's. Some of his previous stat lines painted him as a total idiot and liability with ridiculous numbers of TO's.
Now THIS is the role I was envisioning for Bumbalough. 20 minutes, 2 threes hit, 3 assists and 1 TO. That would work nicely this season. I hope this signifies a corner turned.
Having not actually watched much of this team, but as a box score browser, I'm starting to really like Jacobs. He almost always puts up a nice, well-rounded box score. If he is poor in one area, he always makes it up in others. For example, in the ISU fiasco, he didn't shoot very well and had 3 TO's...but then somehow came up with 10 rebounds as a 6-2 guard.
I still don't see why it's unrealistic to hope for championship contention with this roster. We have three gifted players and teams have won the MAC with less. A good coach can then mold the remaining roster of limited players with various skills around the gifted players and have a functional championship contending team. Not predicting it IS going to happen, just saying it cannot be ruled out. Obviously it is the optimistic scenario. If you're going to tell me it's impossible for Lewis to win with this roster because they are not "tough" and we have to wait three years for Lewis to recruit "tough" players, I call bullshit on that. That's no different from Whitford's "build the program" bullshit and would lead to exactly the same result and waste of years. Recruiters recruit and winning coaches win, and everything else is bullshit excuses.
Yes, I would like to see another good bench player (which may yet emerge from the pack), and yes I wish we had another real front court player (which simply doesn't exist) but a roster doesn't have to be flawless to contend for the MAC.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 26, 2022 20:43:59 GMT -6
We’re learning grit and don’t quit. As Lewis has said often, these guys had no clue how to win and he’s trying to get them there. Win the games that require fighting for everything. Shooting won’t always be there but defending/rebounding/toughness can always show up.
Excellent minutes from Bumbalough. Exactly what we need from him. Really need jihad to give us something.
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Post by coastalcard on Nov 26, 2022 20:54:09 GMT -6
I saw attendance was 368.
Little do these opponents realize that this feels like a home court advantage to us Cardinals.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 26, 2022 20:54:52 GMT -6
I’m not sure what to say here this might be your most optimistic post in 10 years
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 26, 2022 21:07:15 GMT -6
I saw attendance was 368. Little do these opponents realize that this feels like a home court advantage to us Cardinals. That is surprising to me. I listened to the radio feed and our fans sounded loud. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 26, 2022 21:17:09 GMT -6
Jacobs really has shown a lot!
He, Pearson, and Windham are being used well.
Bumbalough today showed he can have a role but with substantial reduction in usage.
The players lost by transfer had talent but losing them opened up minutes for Coleman and Sellers.
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Post by coastalcard on Nov 26, 2022 21:18:22 GMT -6
I’m not sure what to say here this might be your most optimistic post in 10 years Don't confuse realism with optimism. |
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Post by bsutrack on Nov 26, 2022 22:48:01 GMT -6
Jacobs really has shown a lot! He, Pearson, and Windham are being used well. Bumbalough today showed he can have a role but with substantial reduction in usage. The players lost by transfer had talent but losing them opened up minutes for Coleman and Sellers. Speaking of players lost by transfer, Miryne Thomas is putting up similar stats at Kent St as his last year at BSU. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4279796/miryne-thomasTonight, Kent State lost to #2 ranked Houston by 5 points, 44 to 49. It would have been interesting to see if Lewis could have straightened out the head case Miryne Thomas is. Since there weren't any rumors about Thomas staying when Lewis was hired, my guess is one or both realized it was unworkable. |
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 26, 2022 23:53:50 GMT -6
Kent State definitely the team to beat in the MAC but don’t count out a Lewis coached team!
He has the right balance of knowing when to let ‘em know they f up
But when to love on them as well.
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Nov 27, 2022 0:38:36 GMT -6
Kent State definitely the team to beat in the MAC but don’t count out a Lewis coached team! He has the right balance of knowing when to let ‘em know they f up But when to love on them as well. Um... I've already counted us out. Kent has an incredible team, as they showed with their game against Houston today. Carry, their best player last year and this year, was 2-22 against Houston. And they only lost by 5! Kent shot 23.8 percent from the field today. And the only lost by 5 to the number 2 team in the country. In fact, they were ahead in the final minute! Let's also not forget the Zips, with Casteneda and Freeman. We are clearly not the best team in the MAC, and it would be a miracle for us to win the tournament this year. However, I think next year will be the year. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 27, 2022 1:36:58 GMT -6
Jacobs really has shown a lot! He, Pearson, and Windham are being used well. Bumbalough today showed he can have a role but with substantial reduction in usage. The players lost by transfer had talent but losing them opened up minutes for Coleman and Sellers. Speaking of players lost by transfer, Miryne Thomas is putting up similar stats at Kent St as his last year at BSU. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4279796/miryne-thomasTonight, Kent State lost to #2 ranked Houston by 5 points, 44 to 49. It would have been interesting to see if Lewis could have straightened out the head case Miryne Thomas is. Since there weren't any rumors about Thomas staying when Lewis was hired, my guess is one or both realized it was unworkable. Thomas had made up his mind during the season he was leaving. BSU then cleaned his locker out for him and said good riddance. Not sure he ever got to even meet Lewis. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 27, 2022 7:41:58 GMT -6
We're a notch below the top 3 or 4 MAC teams right now. If we win today, we may be in the group 2-5. Akron and Ohio have equal talent to us and good coaches. They are not going to go away. We can narrow that gap with the 2 top teams yet this year, but it is a long shot we win the conference.
Kent looked awfully tough, athletic and competitive against Houston, and even if that was a bad night for #1, what a signature game. They would seem to have really separated. Toledo I think we can catch up to, if all goes well. If we can develop some depth we could arrive in Cleveland where a good draw and a hot shooting night might mean anything could happen. Of course that also applies to other teams that are our equal...
We can't know yet if it can become a given every night, but the best thing about our win was that we did show good defense in that second half, and it really made a difference.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 27, 2022 10:25:44 GMT -6
Speaking of players lost by transfer, Miryne Thomas is putting up similar stats at Kent St as his last year at BSU. Thomas had made up his mind during the season he was leaving. BSU then cleaned his locker out for him and said good riddance. Not sure he ever got to even meet Lewis. Thomas is the transfer we may miss most. I never had the sense he was really engaged, wanted to be a(the) star and more the center of the offense and on that count I did not really understand the transfer to Kent.
In the game against Houston, he shot a little too much, but didn't really look like a different player. He played hard, though, hit the boards and played 30 minutes where his athleticism was important. His focus was better, we did not see him dialed in as much last year. Transfer might have meant he is playing where he can (much) more easily be benched and he is responding to some coaching discipline. I want to wish him well, but will have a hard time if he ends up a knife in our back. We don't have a good match up for him.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 27, 2022 10:35:38 GMT -6
I’m not sure what to say here this might be your most optimistic post in 10 years You guys know me by the 10,000 consecutive pessimistic posts that I've made on this board and its predecessor. But you have to consider that the subject of these posts has been the Buckley/Thompson/Taylor/Whitford BSU basketball program. With a few posts thrown in on the Post-Manning Colts and the BSU football financial situation. These have possibly been the three most dismal and failure-ridden sports related subjects in America over this time period. You see where I'm going with this. I actually consider myself to be around the middle of the optimist/pessimist scale. Certainly, any sane person would put money on Kent or Toledo over us for a MAC championship at this point. But does either of these have three players like Sparks/Sellers/Coleman? Carry is sincerely a very good player, but beyond that I think Thomas may be Kent's third best player, which is not an impressive thing. The thing about BSU is that we are so heavily reliant on Coleman's quality of play in any given game due to his high usage rate. Usage rate, aka NBA usage percentage, is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor. Usage rate can be calculated with how a possession ends: “field-goal or free-throw attempt, or a turnover.Coleman has by far the most shot attempts and by far the most turnovers. His move to Missouri and back seems to have had less of an effect on his maturity and stability than I had hoped. It could be that he simply does not have the capacity to distinguish a good offensive action from a bad offensive action in the heat of battle and can never be coached up to do so despite everyone's best intentions. Getting the most out of Coleman will be Lewis's most important and probably trickiest coaching challenge this year. So when I say this roster can be a championship contender, it's more likely to be in the team-nobody-wants-to-play sense, rather than the solid favorite sense...all depending on how Coleman is playing at tourney time. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 27, 2022 10:51:11 GMT -6
You can't say Coleman had a good statistical game...but seems like he had a solid floor game. Now THIS is the role I was envisioning for Bumbalough. 20 minutes, 2 threes hit, 3 assists and 1 TO....I'm starting to really like Jacobs. He almost always puts up a nice, well-rounded box score. If he is poor in one area, he always makes it up in others. For example, in the ISU fiasco, he didn't shoot very well and had 3 TO's...but then somehow came up with 10 rebounds as a 6-2 guard. I still don't see why it's unrealistic to hope for championship contention with this roster. We have three gifted players and teams have won the MAC with less....Yes, I would like to see another good bench player (which may yet emerge from the pack), and yes I wish we had another real front court player (which simply doesn't exist) but a roster doesn't have to be flawless to contend for the MAC. Agree with all of that.
Giving Jacobs a bigger role and having several ball handlers who can take it to the basket on any given possession is great. Fewer minutes for the Luke's is addition by subtraction by giving us more athletes on the floor. The emphasis, and partial success so far, on better defense means it's less a stretch to see this team pull a gutsy upset and get to a MAC Final than last years team.
Finding the right role for Bumbalough and getting better on ball defense in the second half made this game one that raises our hopes. Last year to imagine reaching a title game we had to hope we rained 3's and did not run out of steam. We were not going to lock anyone down and were vulnerable on defense at guard. We underused Sellers and Jacobs, overused Brown, and our staff had fallen out with Windham who became a non factor.
Getting Windham, Pearson, Bumbalough to be more effective this year, and harnessing Coleman, plus getting the most out of Sellers are significant differences with last year. Owens White could add something, but we also need Jihad, Cleary to improve substantially if we want to have a chance in the MAC tourney.
Losing Thomas and some other talent is a negative, I'd like to have seen last years team with Coleman added to the mix. That might have put us right up there.
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