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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 13, 2023 16:10:02 GMT -6
Would you go ahead and renegotiate Lewis now. Pay him near the top of the MAC but also only do it if he agrees to much higher buyout clause. Worst case you gotta pay him top MAC Dollar if he flatlines or even fails. Best case he stays money is deserved and we are contender every year. Push somebody scoops him up quick but due to increased buy out clause. We cash in and are in a better position to pay next coach.
Yes we would have to find the money but interest is at a twenty year high. We had people step up to fire whit. Its easier to find people wanting to keep a hot commodity
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 13, 2023 16:26:27 GMT -6
Would you go ahead and renegotiate Lewis now. Pay him near the top of the MAC but also only do it if he agrees to much higher buyout clause. Worst case you gotta pay him top MAC Dollar if he flatlines or even fails. Best case he stays money is deserved and we are contender every year. Push somebody scoops him up quick but due to increased buy out clause. We cash in and are in a better position to pay next coach. Yes we would have to find the money but interest is at a twenty year high. We had people step up to fire whit. Its easier to find people wanting to keep a hot commodity By "now" do you mean today or at the end of the season? If he wins the MAC then yeah an extension is understandable. But one of our DNA's would be extend him today and we lose 5 straight to end the season bitterly disappointed. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 13, 2023 16:41:09 GMT -6
Asap
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 13, 2023 16:53:45 GMT -6
With the caveat that raising the extra money is not a slam dunk, why not renegotiate existing contract term with higher salary and buyout?
While a MAC championship is extremely unlikely, so is any kind of complete collapse.
Calhoun's idea of buying insurance for a buyout has some merit. Majerus was gone very shortly, and although we lucked out in his replacement fairly cheaply, the record since has been not paying enough to match high expectations.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 13, 2023 17:00:07 GMT -6
Paying more would be inappropriate and premature until Lewis demonstrates that he is a recruiter. But having said that, I would not particularly object paying a higher salary however, under no circumstances would I want to increase the amount BSU would have to pay in a buy out situation. That's the mistake we've made over and over and it has cost us years of our time. Until Lewis recruits some studs, the possibility remains in play that this is the best talent he will ever have....in which hypothetical case his result would trend downhill from here. It wont be especially easy to replace and/or improve on Sparks/Coleman/Sellers, and completely impossible if Lewis turns out not to be a recruiter.
I really cant understand how schools continually get themselves in the position of having to fork over a ton of money to get rid of a failing coach. It's a frequently repeated, entirely foreseeable and idiotically self-created disaster. Do coaches really demand this in negotiations? It seems that such a stance could be easily countered with questions like "Uh, coach...are you expecting to FAIL in the next few years? Just how likely do you think that is?"
I mean, doesn't it seem like an untenable negotiating position for a coach to simultaneously say "You need to pay me a lot because I am going to be successful" and also "You need to pay me a fortune in a buy out because of the possibility you might want to fire me"
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 13, 2023 17:19:59 GMT -6
Sherm the buy out is the big gamble. If he does well and lets say a Butler wants him Butler has to pay us the big buyout we can then use it to pay new coach.
Of course the flip side is if we want to fire we pay. Im not talking adding multiple years just Upping all the numbers on current tracking add 1 if absolutely necessary
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 13, 2023 17:32:11 GMT -6
It would also show the level of committment everyone agrees we never give. A power 5 school will pay anything for the guy they want. Make them pay a premium.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 13, 2023 17:34:17 GMT -6
Sherm the buy out is the big gamble. If he does well and lets say a Butler wants him Butler has to pay us the big buyout we can then use it to pay new coach. Of course the flip side is if we want to fire we pay. Im not talking adding multiple years just Upping all the numbers on current tracking add 1 if absolutely necessary My fear is matta flames out at butler. Gotta think Lewis is their first call. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 13, 2023 17:37:22 GMT -6
Sherm the buy out is the big gamble. If he does well and lets say a Butler wants him Butler has to pay us the big buyout we can then use it to pay new coach. Of course the flip side is if we want to fire we pay. Im not talking adding multiple years just Upping all the numbers on current tracking add 1 if absolutely necessary My fear is matta flames out at butler. Gotta think Lewis is their first call. Bingo and we lose him for nothing. |
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Post by redfeather on Feb 13, 2023 18:39:51 GMT -6
Okay let’s level set here with the coaches salary package. What I need to understand is how is Kent/Senderoff (12 yrs), Toledo/ Kowalczyk (11yrs)and Akron/Groce (4yrs) able to keep their coach and they are always at the top of the conference? Why shouldn't we expect to manage our coaching situation the same?? Yet we talk about Lewis as if it's a given he's gone in a year or two if he keeps succeeding!!
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 13, 2023 19:15:06 GMT -6
Okay let’s level set here with the coaches salary package. What I need to understand is how is Kent/Senderoff (12 yrs), Toledo/ Kowalczyk (11yrs)and Akron/Groce (4yrs) able to keep their coach and they are always at the top of the conference? Why shouldn't we expect to manage our coaching situation the same?? Yet we talk about Lewis as if it's a given he's gone in a year or two if he keeps succeeding!! Kowalczyk has been easy to keep because he annually underperforms expectations and hasn't really won anything of consequence. The MAC hasn't been a quality league for many years, which means these coaches really have to excel now to move on. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 13, 2023 19:57:48 GMT -6
Okay let’s level set here with the coaches salary package. What I need to understand is how is Kent/Senderoff (12 yrs), Toledo/ Kowalczyk (11yrs)and Akron/Groce (4yrs) able to keep their coach and they are always at the top of the conference? Why shouldn't we expect to manage our coaching situation the same?? Yet we talk about Lewis as if it's a given he's gone in a year or two if he keeps succeeding!! Its all hypothetical but if you come in and win quickly and turn a dumpster fire into something people are going notice. |
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Post by redbirdman on Feb 13, 2023 20:05:59 GMT -6
There is one BT school who would pounce on him in a minute if they didn't have to pay 11 million to get rid of their current coach this year. Next year his payout becomes much more managable. If I am Lewis I would not even consider their offer at anytime because you can't win there but they will have money.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 13, 2023 20:09:23 GMT -6
Gotta think Lewis is their first call. Why? After 1 year in the MAC? He hasn't proved anything yet. Let's just calm down. I like what he's doing, but let's see what happens in the MAC tourney, and the offseason recruiting before we start anointing him the second coming of Rick Majerus. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 13, 2023 20:43:50 GMT -6
Gotta think Lewis is their first call. Why? After 1 year in the MAC? He hasn't proved anything yet. Let's just calm down. I like what he's doing, but let's see what happens in the MAC tourney, and the offseason recruiting before we start anointing him the second coming of Rick Majerus. I dont think anyone is anoingting him anything. I was just thinking and thought we could kick this can around a bit. I do believe though if he pulls a miracle this year and backs it up next year there will be suitors. We always say we need to be proactive and show full commitment. BSU has a chance to do that. You cant have it both ways. |
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