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Post by villagepub on May 15, 2023 8:25:14 GMT -6
What if NCAA implemented a transfer rule? , like they have in soccer… A negotiated transfer fee is agreed financial compensation paid from an interested club, to the club that possesses the player's exclusive playing rights...I know, no way in hell…the mid majors never get an advantage… If a G5 team has put time and resources into developing talent that a P5 team poaches from the transfer portal, then compensation is justified. G5s need to tap into the deep resources these P5 schools have available. |
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Sellers
May 15, 2023 9:12:26 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on May 15, 2023 9:12:26 GMT -6
Quite a comment on NIL that they can afford to easily outbid us for what may just be a depth piece for somebody who is make or break for us. Anybody who says mid majors are helped more by the portal than hurt needs to consider that. Here we go with the misrepresenting and lying again. I have no idea why you are responding. Some guy offered that opinion in a thread here, and claimed lateral transfer was the big portal issue, and we gained more from high majors coming in than our guys leaving. That is possible, and we are not doing badly getting high major transfers over the last 5 years or so, but the NIL issue and departures of kids we are building around, late in the game (like Sellers) sure is a hard thing to overcome late.
I hope we find a Sellers out there or at least another good player to add to the roster, but it sure isn't what we want to have to do.
If you want in on that idea, have at it. While you are doing that how about amplifying your idea that a coach can "creatively" out do all the MAC coaches using NIL at BSU. We sure need that. Sounds like fantasy to me that it would be a sustainable theory. Every year somebody will do better than others, sure. But I don't see any magic formula for doing that on demand when we lose heavily in a given year.
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Sellers
May 15, 2023 9:15:46 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on May 15, 2023 9:15:46 GMT -6
What if NCAA implemented a transfer rule? , like they have in soccer… A negotiated transfer fee is agreed financial compensation paid from an interested club, to the club that possesses the player's exclusive playing rights...I know, no way in hell…the mid majors never get an advantage… If a G5 team has put time and resources into developing talent that a P5 team poaches from the transfer portal, then compensation is justified. G5s need to tap into the deep resources these P5 schools have available. The last point is true from the point of view of the overall NCAA, but let's face it the P5 don't have much incentive to share resources. NIL being "outside" money, and the existence of NIL being legally mandated, makes many good ideas for regulating it off the table for the NCAA to control. |
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Sellers
May 15, 2023 9:29:35 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on May 15, 2023 9:29:35 GMT -6
Here we go with the misrepresenting and lying again. What he posted actually seems to be at least partial reality right now...except coaches do have control over how they evaluate talent and forecast potential. IMO the creative coaches at all levels will win out in the long term. As of right now, I would not put Lewis in that class. He has a lot of proving himself to do in terms of recruiting. This is a VERY strong recruiting class by any standard. If he's not proven yet, he's sure not that far from it if he keeps it up.
It is true Sparks and Sellers were Whitford recruits, and last years late newcomers didn't produce after either never playing, or in the case of Cleary just never producing. Very hard to expect a lot first year though. That group never looked like much except filling gaps, at best. This years crop really has some potential, top to bottom, transfers and freshmen, all fit well and have credibility.
If we had retained Sellers and "lost" Hendricks instead of Sparks, we would have a MAC powerhouse roster.
We might have hoped Lewis would reel in an even higher quality transfer, perhaps a MAC star out of the box. But let's be real, how many times, whoever the coach, can we really expect that? EMU did it, sort of. No great credit in that to that coaching staff. Who else?
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Post by cbcjanney on May 15, 2023 13:29:26 GMT -6
I sure hope you're right but I'm not particularly high on how strong this recruiting class is. Six guys yet nobody I see being an alpha star. Am hoping maybe one of the three freshmen contributes very soon, Doughty the most likely, but I don't really expect anything out of Jones or Brown. The three transfers would all seem to be role players at MAC level based on their past stat contributions, but optimistically the combination of versatile role players gels.
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Sellers
May 15, 2023 15:22:16 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on May 15, 2023 15:22:16 GMT -6
I sure hope you're right but I'm not particularly high on how strong this recruiting class is. Six guys yet nobody I see being an alpha star. Am hoping maybe one of the three freshmen contributes very soon, Doughty the most likely, but I don't really expect anything out of Jones or Brown. The three transfers would all seem to be role players at MAC level based on their past stat contributions, but optimistically the combination of versatile role players gels. How well we use the talent is the key. We agree there. But there is talent to work with. Expecting sure thing stars isn't something MAC teams can expect.
Go back through MAC recruiting classes and tell me who in the recent past you could identify as the "alpha" stars of the future for any MAC team before their career developed. I'm not sure that you can do that, or that it is measure of a MAC class. MAC teams don't sign sure fire instant star, 4 and 5 star players, not that many 3 stars. It's how freshmen play as sophomores that is a sign of a good class.
Doughty will be rated pretty high among MAC recruits.
As to what to expect from Jones and Brown, it is hard to tell, I would agree. Yet similar players recruited in the near past have been quite good. Jones is a little bigger and more physical version of Mallers, who was much maligned on this forum as a recruit, yet started as a freshman and played solidly in a lot of games for us. Brown was as highly regarded going into his senior year as the other two freshman, so who knows?
Those transfers include a very solid starter from a team in a better conference than the MAC, looks like a replacement or upgrade for losing DJ. 15 pts a game looks pretty good to me, if not quite a "star." His stat line was equal to that of Sellers actually.
We have a grad transfer who was a rotation player from BU who was an all newcomer team player from the Patriot League. Led hid team last year in assists. That's a pretty good rotation contributor.
We have a good JUCO. Somebody Lewis recruited all year.
You are right that they may be "only" starter quality or good rotation players in the MAC, but if we had a couple of more rotation players as good as these 3 last year it would have made a big difference.
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Sellers
May 15, 2023 15:27:55 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on May 15, 2023 15:27:55 GMT -6
Noticing more Michigan tweets circulating and several Minnesota Mentions. I think its going to be mississippi unless Nil deal from elsewhere is much greater. There could also be a school we know nothing about R Dennis apparently visited UM. |
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Sellers
May 16, 2023 17:29:35 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 16, 2023 17:29:35 GMT -6
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Post by cbcjanney on May 16, 2023 19:45:01 GMT -6
Not to split hairs, but Anderson averaged 9.8 pts for LMU last year, after 8.4 and 7.1 the previous 2 years. Not quite as good as Sellers last year albeit yes vs more challenging opponents. Watts never averaged more than 8.6 in four years at a school & conference normally poorer than BSU and wasn’t particularly strong in any stat category. the JUCO guy is hard to gauge but was no distinctive player here on the Indy HS as recent as 2-3 yrs ago. I’ve seem Jones play and feel like he has a long way to go before contributing. I’ve seen Doughty multiple times with mixed impressions. Brown was not a standout player on a lackluster HS team so I’ll be pleasantly surprised there with any contribution in the near future. Those 6 comprise about half the roster so have to hope at least a couple really step up to be more than I’m expecting.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 16, 2023 19:50:19 GMT -6
Not to split hairs, but Anderson averaged 9.8 pts for LMU last year, after 8.4 and 7.1 the previous 2 years. Not quite as good as Sellers last year albeit yes vs more challenging opponents. Watts never averaged more than 8.6 in four years at a school & conference normally poorer than BSU and wasn’t particularly strong in any stat category. the JUCO guy is hard to gauge but was no distinctive player here on the Indy HS as recent as 2-3 yrs ago. I’ve seem Jones play and feel like he has a long way to go before contributing. I’ve seen Doughty multiple times with mixed impressions. Brown was not a standout player on a lackluster HS team so I’ll be pleasantly surprised there with any contribution in the near future. Those 6 comprise about half the roster so have to hope at least a couple really step up to be more than I’m expecting. I dont think anyone can argue any of what you say. Someone will but if you look at numbers only and dont rely on hope your 100% correct |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 20, 2023 19:00:35 GMT -6
Commits to UCF... So maybe we take Joey Hart call it a wash
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May 20, 2023 20:00:42 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on May 20, 2023 20:00:42 GMT -6
Commits to UCF... So maybe we take Joey Hart call it a wash A freshman for a senior, you are a little optimistic...but we do need another good player. The more Lewis has to work with the better, and by season's end a good freshman may be a wonderful trade! |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 20, 2023 20:35:08 GMT -6
Commits to UCF... So maybe we take Joey Hart call it a wash A freshman for a senior, you are a little optimistic...but we do need another good player. The more Lewis has to work with the better, and by season's end a good freshman may be a wonderful trade! Sellers is a junior and I was not being 100% serious about the wash. i just think it would be quite Ironic for hart to decmmit from UCF Sellers to commit tgere then Have Hart to BSU. Hart would be tge best on paper recruit of tge class tgough |
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Post by zonebuster on May 21, 2023 5:51:10 GMT -6
Commits to UCF... So maybe we take Joey Hart call it a wash Really disappointed to see this. I just don’t feel like UCF is that much of an upgrade to Ball State. I guess they offered him some decent NIL cheddar beans & he’s a little closer to home. |
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Post by coastalcard on May 21, 2023 6:20:02 GMT -6
Commits to UCF... So maybe we take Joey Hart call it a wash Really disappointed to see this. I just don’t feel like UCF is that much of an upgrade to Ball State. I guess they offered him some decent NIL cheddar beans & he’s a little closer to home. Doesn’t UCF move to BIG12 this year? |
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