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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 8, 2023 20:40:16 GMT -6
The SP’s coverage of BSU sports is a sad and pointless exercise They’re doing a poor job in a tough situation. Not sure why they don’t just pack it in
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2023 2:35:20 GMT -6
Muncie SP and every other local news outlet everywhere doesn't really have much clout. Good luck finding an example of the kind of reporting you're talking about. Even big city press is not really free of controls. Today, that's true. But what people here want from the SP is what they did when newspapers had more clout. Sure, schools can refuse credentials, refuse access to players and coaches, and that's been done before, but, at least in the past, it was always a losing proposition for the school and schools typically caved eventually. Today, not so much because, as you say, those outlets basically have no clout. And the schools like it that way. And that's the main point, that what folks on this board want from the press and what the school wants from the press are very different things. Schools don't give a shit today about getting press from some medial outlet. They are their own media outlet. Maybe. But in local news neither ad revenue or subscriptions will pay for all that "real" coverage you want... And. No way to force a sports business or public athletic program to give up controls. Nor in many cases no good reason to do so? Why? We on this board don't have to run a Program with all the problems. Not to mention we have a lot of unrealistic expectations after all. Two sides to this angle you're looking at. I don't totally disagree with you but see reasons it works that way. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2023 2:36:57 GMT -6
The SP’s coverage of BSU sports is a sad and pointless exercise They’re doing a poor job in a tough situation. Not sure why they don’t just pack it in Basically they have in all areas, don't byou think? We get what we pay for. Not what we "want." |
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Post by cardfan on Oct 9, 2023 6:43:27 GMT -6
At least in the SP this morning Martin has an article about bad play calling. He's dead on about play calls plus pulling Kelly after a big run when he had us on the move. Neu is like, "yeah, I gotta take a look at everything." Ya think? Mike's only chance of saving himself is yanking Lynch out of play calling, inserting Kelly as the starting QB, and just rolling with whatever we can get out of that. Hatcher can't move the team well enough and with the abysmal play calling in the red zone it's pointless to have him out there. Kelly can at least get yards with his feet and that opens things up for Cooper. With more reps I'm betting Kelly could complete enough passes to keep the defense honest.
at 1-5 your seasons is toast. There's no bowl, there's not even 5 wins. What do you have to lose? Put Kelly in and turn him loose. You already have a package for him so just go ahead and expand that. I think that would spark the team--give it some life.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2023 7:06:46 GMT -6
We're seeing a listless team without any real bright spot.
Hoping Kelly is a superman if we just go all in isn't convincing to me. That focuses entirely on offense which is hardly the only problem.
We need multiple things to come into focus.
Despair is to say there is no fix, seems to be that the wheels have fallen off.
I am struggling with the idea to just give it up and write it off, I guess. Like no team I remember, this team has totally puzzled me since they failed to show up against GSt.
I'm sure there are players and coaches who are suffering and trying to turn this around. I can't imagine how they feel.
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Post by coastalcard on Oct 9, 2023 7:35:53 GMT -6
At least in the SP this morning Martin has an article about bad play calling. He's dead on about play calls plus pulling Kelly after a big run when he had us on the move. Neu is like, "yeah, I gotta take a look at everything." Ya think? Mike's only chance of saving himself is yanking Lynch out of play calling, inserting Kelly as the starting QB, and just rolling with whatever we can get out of that. Hatcher can't move the team well enough and with the abysmal play calling in the red zone it's pointless to have him out there. Kelly can at least get yards with his feet and that opens things up for Cooper. With more reps I'm betting Kelly could complete enough passes to keep the defense honest. at 1-5 your seasons is toast. There's no bowl, there's not even 5 wins. What do you have to lose? Put Kelly in and turn him loose. You already have a package for him so just go ahead and expand that. I think that would spark the team--give it some life. Good Points and the biggest takeaway is that using Kelly can ONLY be effective if KLynch is gone gone. He doesn't have the skills to divert from what we have been doing and I would almost bet he is still using his brother's notes. |
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Post by universityjim on Oct 9, 2023 7:38:16 GMT -6
At least in the SP this morning Martin has an article about bad play calling. He's dead on about play calls plus pulling Kelly after a big run when he had us on the move. Neu is like, "yeah, I gotta take a look at everything." Ya think? Mike's only chance of saving himself is yanking Lynch out of play calling, inserting Kelly as the starting QB, and just rolling with whatever we can get out of that. Hatcher can't move the team well enough and with the abysmal play calling in the red zone it's pointless to have him out there. Kelly can at least get yards with his feet and that opens things up for Cooper. With more reps I'm betting Kelly could complete enough passes to keep the defense honest. at 1-5 your seasons is toast. There's no bowl, there's not even 5 wins. What do you have to lose? Put Kelly in and turn him loose. You already have a package for him so just go ahead and expand that. I think that would spark the team--give it some life. I haven't seen evidence they have a package for Kelly. More like a couple plays. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2023 7:50:03 GMT -6
at 1-5 your seasons is toast. There's no bowl, there's not even 5 wins. What do you have to lose? Put Kelly in and turn him loose. You already have a package for him so just go ahead and expand that. I think that would spark the team--give it some life. Good Points and the biggest takeaway is that using Kelly can ONLY be effective if KLynch is gone gone. He doesn't have the skills to divert from what we have been doing and I would almost bet he is still using his brother's notes. Maybe. I think we're lacking in a lot of areas which will make odds of the Kelly solution working any better than what we are seeing. Might feel good to blame Lynch for everything and fire him, I suppose.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 9, 2023 8:16:51 GMT -6
We're seeing a listless team without any real bright spot. Hoping Kelly is a superman if we just go all in isn't convincing to me. That focuses entirely on offense which is hardly the only problem. We need multiple things to come into focus. Despair is to say there is no fix, seems to be that the wheels have fallen off. I am struggling with the idea to just give it up and write it off, I guess. Like no team I remember, this team has totally puzzled me since they failed to show up against GSt. I'm sure there are players and coaches who are suffering and trying to turn this around. I can't imagine how they feel. In no way do I think Kelly is a superman. But what I do feel is he actually has moved the team and when he does we then take him out and the drive dies. It's happened multiple times. My point is, Hatcher isn't going to give us superman either and with no real fix in sight why not at least give Kelly the keys to the car long enough to see if he can give the team a lift to at least have a chance to win a game. Obviously we have issues all over the field in every facet so no, I don't think Kelly would magically fix everything. But why not take a longer look under the hood to at least answer that question. Like I said, what does Mike have to lose at this point? |
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Post by cardfan on Oct 9, 2023 8:18:59 GMT -6
At least in the SP this morning Martin has an article about bad play calling. He's dead on about play calls plus pulling Kelly after a big run when he had us on the move. Neu is like, "yeah, I gotta take a look at everything." Ya think? Mike's only chance of saving himself is yanking Lynch out of play calling, inserting Kelly as the starting QB, and just rolling with whatever we can get out of that. Hatcher can't move the team well enough and with the abysmal play calling in the red zone it's pointless to have him out there. Kelly can at least get yards with his feet and that opens things up for Cooper. With more reps I'm betting Kelly could complete enough passes to keep the defense honest. at 1-5 your seasons is toast. There's no bowl, there's not even 5 wins. What do you have to lose? Put Kelly in and turn him loose. You already have a package for him so just go ahead and expand that. I think that would spark the team--give it some life. I haven't seen evidence they have a package for Kelly. More like a couple plays. Well, they call it a package. But you're right, it's a couple of plays. So, how about we add some more plays in. And NOT BS like sending Hatcher out on a wheel route. How dumb was that? Kelly has the best arm of all our QBs. He could get the ball downfield, but, we don't even let him try. Let him complete a few passes and then all of a sudden that RPO is deadly and it also opens things up for Cooper. But, we just don't have that in our primitive offense. |
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Post by universityjim on Oct 9, 2023 9:22:52 GMT -6
I haven't seen evidence they have a package for Kelly. More like a couple plays. Well, they call it a package. But you're right, it's a couple of plays. So, how about we add some more plays in. And NOT BS like sending Hatcher out on a wheel route. How dumb was that? Kelly has the best arm of all our QBs. He could get the ball downfield, but, we don't even let him try. Let him complete a few passes and then all of a sudden that RPO is deadly and it also opens things up for Cooper. But, we just don't have that in our primitive offense. Primitive? I can't think of anything more progressive than throwing a backward pass to a slow ass offensive lineman on 1st down inside the 10 yard line and letting him try to create something with his athleticism. Now that is outside the box thinking! This brings me to my next point. Don't smoke crack. |
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Oct 9, 2023 9:25:50 GMT -6
I haven't seen evidence they have a package for Kelly. More like a couple plays. Well, they call it a package. But you're right, it's a couple of plays. So, how about we add some more plays in. And NOT BS like sending Hatcher out on a wheel route. How dumb was that? Kelly has the best arm of all our QBs. He could get the ball downfield, but, we don't even let him try. Let him complete a few passes and then all of a sudden that RPO is deadly and it also opens things up for Cooper. But, we just don't have that in our primitive offense. Cardfan is spot on! We know what we have with Hatcher behind center. Kelly at least adds some excitement. Yes - it won't fix all that's wrong with the team, but at least it gives us something to watch besides idiotic play calling and a primitive offense stuck in the 90's. |
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Post by sdacardinal on Oct 9, 2023 9:41:28 GMT -6
Neu response was there is no excuse just didn't execute. Will go back and keep working on it look at the tape. Kelly gets 91 yards and then is disrespected once again by not being the go to guy for us. Maybe not intended disrespect but caused by total ineptness. Having the injuries doesn't help but creative play calling could help neutralize the impact somewhat. If I were Kelly I would be packing my bags along with Cooper who is getting hammered running between tackles. Speigle? Thought he was a Mr. football. Think he could average 4 yards or more for us rather than Cooper going up the middle. Even though the O line is suspect still think Speigle could be effective.
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Post by universityjim on Oct 9, 2023 9:46:34 GMT -6
What do you bet this coaching staff would have kept Nate Davis on the bench.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 9, 2023 9:57:05 GMT -6
What do you bet this coaching staff would have kept Nate Davis on the bench. Man, at first glace I was like, naaah. But, if you think about it, Nate would NOT have fit their "ideal" QB. Sure, he was great in the pocket, but he adlibbed all the time and created big plays. Everything with him was looking downfield. It wasn't a conservative "safe" offense. The result was big plays from him and tremendous balance with Quale. But what else did that staff bring that Neu cannot? A FREAKING OLINE. |
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