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Post by david75bsu on Oct 9, 2023 10:08:47 GMT -6
Tired of excuses about injuries. All teams live with injuries. Thought it was, “Next man up! “ if our team is that thin, our problem goes far beyond play calling.
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Post by CallingBS on Oct 9, 2023 10:52:38 GMT -6
What do you bet this coaching staff would have kept Nate Davis on the bench. They for sure would have. He doesn't grip the laces, he's bold, he likes to throw downfield, he'll take off running to get a badly needed first down, etc. I think the Riley Neal issues were a whole lot more on Neu (and a little bit on Lembo too) than Riley after seeing what has unfolded. |
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Post by dcat on Oct 9, 2023 11:02:04 GMT -6
Good Points and the biggest takeaway is that using Kelly can ONLY be effective if KLynch is gone gone. He doesn't have the skills to divert from what we have been doing and I would almost bet he is still using his brother's notes. Maybe. I think we're lacking in a lot of areas which will make odds of the Kelly solution working any better than what we are seeing. Might feel good to blame Lynch for everything and fire him, I suppose.
It would make me feel better. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 9, 2023 11:03:13 GMT -6
Injuries are deff part of it but thats part of tge game
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Post by CallingBS on Oct 9, 2023 11:06:42 GMT -6
Tired of excuses about injuries. All teams live with injuries. Thought it was, “Next man up! “ if our team is that thin, our problem goes far beyond play calling. Look at our other teams: Baseball basically had an ER ward set up in the lockerrom yet wins a championship last year. WVB and MVB have had significant injuries yet won championships. Lewis had significant injuries yet his team competed last season. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2023 11:20:34 GMT -6
What do you bet this coaching staff would have kept Nate Davis on the bench. Not one chance in a 1000. Surely not if they had the QB coach who was so instrumental in his success Let's not be silly and compare Davis and Kelly or make this staff a bunch of idiots, either. |
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Post by wojo on Oct 9, 2023 11:28:23 GMT -6
What do you bet this coaching staff would have kept Nate Davis on the bench. Nate would have never seen the light of day. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2023 11:28:47 GMT -6
Tired of excuses about injuries. All teams live with injuries. Thought it was, “Next man up! “ if our team is that thin, our problem goes far beyond play calling. Look at our other teams: Baseball basically had an ER ward set up in the lockerrom yet wins a championship last year. WVB and MVB have had significant injuries yet won championships. Lewis had significant injuries yet his team competed last season. Nobody would say it was all injury In the case of Lewis, he could not overcome lack of depth and injuries late in the season. Numbers in FB different than other sports, and covering up for critical positions for baseball is different. If you are trying to pass without best receivers, that's a serious drawback. Inexperienced players make far more errors. It adds up. Substituting either on defense or offense in FB throws others off, creates chaos. |
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Post by CallingBS on Oct 9, 2023 11:42:19 GMT -6
Look at our other teams: Baseball basically had an ER ward set up in the lockerrom yet wins a championship last year. WVB and MVB have had significant injuries yet won championships. Lewis had significant injuries yet his team competed last season. Nobody would say it was all injury In the case of Lewis, he could not overcome lack of depth and injuries late in the season. Numbers in FB different than other sports, and covering up for critical positions for baseball is different. If you are trying to pass without best receivers, that's a serious drawback. Inexperienced players make far more errors. It adds up. Substituting either on defense or offense in FB throws others off, creates chaos. Riiiiiiiiiight, because losing your top 4-5 pitchers and top 2 OF's along with other position players for extended time isn't important... Do you just have to have the last word on everything, even if it is stupid as hell? It was a simple point of reference that other coaches have dealt with and fought through significant injuries with success. |
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Post by cardfan on Oct 9, 2023 11:52:11 GMT -6
What do you bet this coaching staff would have kept Nate Davis on the bench. Nate would have never seen the light of day. Correct. Mike would have found a way to bury him. He wasn't stuck in cement and he didn't have a weak arm and he wouldn't have stuck to "the script" or whatever it Mike wants out of his QB's, that we don't get. We need guys who can throw screens and checkdowns all day! |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2023 12:00:14 GMT -6
Nobody would say it was all injury In the case of Lewis, he could not overcome lack of depth and injuries late in the season. Numbers in FB different than other sports, and covering up for critical positions for baseball is different. If you are trying to pass without best receivers, that's a serious drawback. Inexperienced players make far more errors. It adds up. Substituting either on defense or offense in FB throws others off, creates chaos. Riiiiiiiiiight, because losing your top 4-5 pitchers and top 2 OF's along with other position players for extended time isn't important... Do you just have to have the last word on everything, even if it is stupid as hell? It was a simple point of reference that other coaches have dealt with and fought through significant injuries with success. You looking for stupid as hell? I did not say that other teams don't overcome injury, just that we can't discount it. Stupid as hell would be to compare the total talent on this FB team with the total talent before injury for the BB team, and say it's all the same. Stupid as hell, or not, I do not see receivers, or others on this team who had the potential to step in for the injuries we have had as well as as the players in BB. And I don't think we can compare sports quite as easily as you seem to think. I am not saying I'm calling you on BS, I agree injury is often something that is too easily cited. I agree Lewis pushed a team beyond its expectations, and agree our FB staff is not as good. BUT. At the same time I just don't see the easy answer why this FB team has failed so utterly or see it as completely due to some obvious coaching move the staff whiffed on. There was never a MAC championship or even a highly competitive team here. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2023 12:01:33 GMT -6
Nate would have never seen the light of day. Correct. Mike would have found a way to bury him. He wasn't stuck in cement and he didn't have a weak arm and he wouldn't have stuck to "the script" or whatever it Mike wants out of his QB's, that we don't get. We need guys who can throw screens and checkdowns all day! cardfan, we have a staff with serious issues, but not that serious... |
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Post by cardfan on Oct 9, 2023 12:21:24 GMT -6
Correct. Mike would have found a way to bury him. He wasn't stuck in cement and he didn't have a weak arm and he wouldn't have stuck to "the script" or whatever it Mike wants out of his QB's, that we don't get. We need guys who can throw screens and checkdowns all day! cardfan, we have a staff with serious issues, but not that serious... Cmon man, you are underestimating them..... Kai'el Kelly was heavily recruited. He's as talented a kid as we've had. But can we develop him into a viable starting QB, ala Finn at UT? Nope. Why? Doesn't fit "the system?" Fine, then why even recruit him? Cobb was a highly rated recruit. He didn't bother to stick around. Would he have ever played for Mike? Probably not. Mike thought Paddock was the best passer he'd had at BSU. Really? Maybe Semonza will be the guy in the future. Who knows? Pretty hard to have any confidence Mike and company will develop him. The best qb Neu has had, Plitt, (and how much is that saying) was initially a Lembo recruit. Did Plitt get better every year? Based on his senior year vs his junior year, not really. Blazek is the prototype recruit for Mike's offense. Bigger with a stronger arm. Why hasn't he ever seen the field, even in a mop up role in all the blow outs we've faced? How many qbs has Mike recruited who never got even close to seeing the field and left? (and most of them weren't truly worthy of the FBS level scholarship to begin with, so what are we doing?) Could go on and on but what's the point? Other than there's no way anyone could in 100% confidence say Neu would NOT fail to get Davis on the field and keep him there. We are QB poor in a league where you have GOT to have a play making qb, whether that's via the pass, the run, or both. We can't consistently put a QB on the field that can make winning plays when they are needed. Part of that is a really bad oline, yes. Part of that is less than spectacular WR, yes, BUT, the good programs have qbs who can overcome those weakness, one way or another. I'll add, how bad is it we have very little success to talk about and we have far more fodder on the failings of this staff? Again. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 9, 2023 13:20:18 GMT -6
A good coach adjusts to best utilize the players he has to work with.
We have not seen that from Neu. He stubbornly sticks to an offense that doesn't work, and tries to make the players adjust to his system.
There's your nutshell.
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Post by universityjim on Oct 9, 2023 13:23:26 GMT -6
So were all our QB's duds or were they not developed? I do not believe every one of them were duds. I don't believe most of them were duds.
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