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Post by cardfan on Nov 2, 2023 9:27:44 GMT -6
You must have missed him try to break Magwood’s nose 40 yards downfield. He also made a pass that I dont think our other qb’s would have made where he was wrapped up and still got it out. And I think he converted on 3rd and long late in the game. With Kelly we have been competitive. Without him we were getting blown out. He is clearly the best option. I don't disagree that he makes us far more dangerous but he must improve dramatically next year in the passing game to be a legit QB. He's thrown for 165 yards total in three starts with no TD's and a pick. That is never going to equate to a winning program unless we convert to the wishbone. I love the kid and his energy and athleticism. He's a dynamic runner and athlete with his legs but it's hard to believe he hasn't developed more as a passer after being in the program for three years. Maybe that's on the staff. at least some of it's on the staff because until 3 weeks ago they were never going to have Kelly be our starting QB, so why bother too much with developing his passing? The other part of that is the reality that he is really really really super raw as a passer and appears to lack the necessary skill set to become a consistently good passer. His arm is the best of our QB's, but his touch, ability to read the defense, and decision making just aren't there and probably never will be. But, I guess there's always hope with Finn at UT being the example. They didn't want him throwing early on but he's evolved and developed enough to be competent and with his running ability it makes him damn dangerous. Problem for us is, we do not have the roster to put around Kelly to be successful while he develops. UT does. We need to be so much better on the oline to make this work with Kelly and we are not. Way too many wasted downs of him or Cooper running into a brick wall of defenders. Why not run more plays designed to get Kelly outside the tackles where he can make guys miss and use his feet and speed? Don't force him to be a pocket passer. Roll him out and make the D have to commit to playing both run and pass? The best plays we get are the adlibbed ones, so find ways to let Kelly just go crazy out there. But, in the words of Linkin Park, in the end, it doesn't even matter. We're going nowhere. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 2, 2023 9:44:05 GMT -6
You must have missed him try to break Magwood’s nose 40 yards downfield. He also made a pass that I dont think our other qb’s would have made where he was wrapped up and still got it out. And I think he converted on 3rd and long late in the game. With Kelly we have been competitive. Without him we were getting blown out. He is clearly the best option. I don't disagree that he makes us far more dangerous but he must improve dramatically next year in the passing game to be a legit QB. He's thrown for 165 yards total in three starts with no TD's and a pick. That is never going to equate to a winning program unless we convert to the wishbone. I love the kid and his energy and athleticism. He's a dynamic runner and athlete with his legs but it's hard to believe he hasn't developed more as a passer after being in the program for three years. Maybe that's on the staff. First time I saw him play I thought wishbone, or some descendant of it where he was moving with the ball on almost every play.
That of course is an offshoot descendant of single wing, which went to wing T, to the old B8 wishbone.
My age is showing but I remember Wabash College playing single wing in the 60's with great success, had a great Tailback, and a very good wingback. RPO is somewhat more the first option on the wishbone up the gut, or actually in many ways like the old single wing with a second back next to the tailback, maybe more emphasis on the pass. But his passing has not developed at all.
However we do it, I'd love to see more option running him outside the tackles from the snap. Maybe we can learn the Rockne ND era play...
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 2, 2023 10:02:55 GMT -6
I don't disagree that he makes us far more dangerous but he must improve dramatically next year in the passing game to be a legit QB. He's thrown for 165 yards total in three starts with no TD's and a pick. That is never going to equate to a winning program unless we convert to the wishbone. I love the kid and his energy and athleticism. He's a dynamic runner and athlete with his legs but it's hard to believe he hasn't developed more as a passer after being in the program for three years. Maybe that's on the staff. at least some of it's on the staff because until 3 weeks ago they were never going to have Kelly be our starting QB, so why bother too much with developing his passing? The other part of that is the reality that he is really really really super raw as a passer and appears to lack the necessary skill set to become a consistently good passer. His arm is the best of our QB's, but his touch, ability to read the defense, and decision making just aren't there and probably never will be. But, I guess there's always hope with Finn at UT being the example... I agree about getting him outside more plays. I don't see him having the time to develop like Finn. We've beat to death last year's attempt to see a rerun of prior success, but that may have been the end of Kelly unless they really committed to him in Spring.
Bottom line for me is the lack of line and receivers really has made it impossible to imaging an offense which would be a lot better than what we are seeing. Since Kelly seem to lack that key element of decision making to be an effective passer in any offense, the staff can be faulted not so much for failing to force him into that mold. They do deserves criticism for not finding a way to incorporate an outside running game in whatever they did.
Without an oline, and receivers, I just can't imagine how they thought they could thrive on up the middle threat to allow the outside game to be short passing, or hold up to have a pass first game. Hatcher might have made that work I suppose if they actually had those two things in the tool box. We'll never know whether even one really good WR might allow either QB to avoid the rush, maybe run for their life, and unleash longer passes.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 2, 2023 10:29:00 GMT -6
You're right we don't have time to wait for Kelly to develop. We need to start winning ASAP. We need a big roster makeover with more playmakers on the outside, an oline with more punch, and a secondary that can at least be on the same side of the field as the WRs when a pass is in the air. The dline and linebackers have held their own but our db's can't cover and they can't tackle. We need a total revamp of our offensive philosophy and play calling. We are weirdly very close to being a winning football team that at the same time is only capable of winning maybe 3 games. The difference is in the little things. The details. The fundamentals. The clock management. The penalities. The turnovers. Both players and staff share the blame for far too often not making winning plays when the game is on the line. Nue's program has those failings trademarked. Every year we do this. Same shit, different year.
Kelly owned up to not being able to get passes to Koziol and that Kelly considered that unacceptable. How much of that is Kelly and how much is the play calling not putting both players in the right positions to make those plays together? How do we not find ways to get the ball to our 6'7 TE who can run WR routes?
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 2, 2023 11:11:35 GMT -6
How do we not find ways to get the ball to our 6'7 TE who can run WR routes? Two possibilities occur. One is he needed for blocking edge rushers to give time for a pass? The other is he may be closely covered and that should make other receivers more open?
On any play he is one on one, I'd sure want to more often throw it his way, for a toss up.
On read option where the D is not crowding the box I could see Kelly going with his good RB, or as he does maybe too often trying to break through the middle himself. He probably doesn't trust himself to pass given a good option, but there is a reason for that...
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 2, 2023 12:03:59 GMT -6
I hear that the admissions office is absolution swamped with applications this morning after last night's national exposure Can the admissions office grant absolution? I always thought that was a church thing, and we're a state school. |
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Post by sdacardinal on Nov 2, 2023 14:38:14 GMT -6
The way the times are now we are drifting toward a Theocracy so that absolutions may be obtained at the Delaware Co. Court House or at the BSU President/Pope's ofice.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 2, 2023 14:58:19 GMT -6
I hear that the admissions office is absolution swamped with applications this morning after last night's national exposure Can the admissions office grant absolution? I always thought that was a church thing, and we're a state school. Not so clear that Indiana government or the US Supreme Court recognizes institutional separation of church and state? |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 2, 2023 15:03:26 GMT -6
The way the times are now we are drifting toward a Theocracy so that absolutions may be obtained at the Delaware Co. Court House or at the BSU President/Pope's ofice. The BSU President is at most a puzzled cleric, as are most academics. Not a major religious figure, not a pope, not even a TV evangelist with power of the pulpit, and having little contol and authority over his flock. Probably a Unitarian, has values and beliefs but hardly a theocrat. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 2, 2023 15:25:44 GMT -6
The way the times are now we are drifting toward a Theocracy so that absolutions may be obtained at the Delaware Co. Court House or at the BSU President/Pope's ofice. First, you have to have an act of contrition. Truly an oddity on the internet. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 2, 2023 16:03:16 GMT -6
The way the times are now we are drifting toward a Theocracy so that absolutions may be obtained at the Delaware Co. Court House or at the BSU President/Pope's ofice. First, you have to have an act of contrition. Truly an oddity on the internet. Whether we have absolution or not, we are in at best in FB headed for purgatory. |
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