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Post by comet on Nov 13, 2023 7:20:41 GMT -6
TA&M buys out Jimbo for $76M Another indicator that MAC schools don’t belong in FBS. With a record of 43 and 24. 43 and 24.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 13, 2023 7:47:28 GMT -6
TA&M buys out Jimbo for $76M Another indicator that MAC schools don’t belong in FBS. With a record of 43 and 24. 43 and 24. A&M has deeeeeeeeeep pockets. A lot of wealthy donors. Yet they can't seem to buy top-tier success.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 13, 2023 7:52:54 GMT -6
TA&M buys out Jimbo for $76M Another indicator that MAC schools don’t belong in FBS. With a record of 43 and 24. 43 and 24. Because the AD said the program was "stuck in neutral." Ours is stuck in reverse and we can't do a damn thing about it even though the buyout is multitudes lesser than many other buyouts we've seen. At this point all I can hope for is our AD demands Mike make changes, the key one being offensive coordinator. But, Mike is too loyal to the Lynch clan. He's best buddies with them. Hell, if he removed Kevin he'd just replace him with Billy. For the most part the defense is really solid and Stockton has done a good job there. Gotta wonder if he'll get any opportunities to move up. Other than the WMU game we've been in every MAC game and had chances to win those. It's been the offense that's killed us. Mike/Kevin are terrible in one score games. It feels like we're always just playing for field goals instead of TD's. Same as last year. (not their fault we dropped a sure TD vs UT though. There was a play to be made there and we didn't) If we'd had a productive offense the last two years we'd be looking at things far differently. Something's gotta give.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 13, 2023 8:53:13 GMT -6
Far smaller buyout, cardfan. But you nail it that isn't blikely. Even smaller revenue and donor base for athletics.
It does complicate things Neu is Ball State guy, generally well liked personally.
This year was predictably worse, that's not exactly the problem, it's what the ceiling is.
And how much does it cost to appreciably raise it.
We can win the MAC without a really good FBS program. But is it worth the cost and time to aim for that and sustain it?
No AD will say anything except we want to be the best. Reality is they'll brag about success if they hire relatively cheap and win. Everybody feels good. Then. A good coach moves on rather quickly.
Hiring for sake of change an AD beats the drum of change and good days ahead, but not really making a difference is feel good, that's the likely upside, not a sustainable improvement.
I agree best case is too try to spend a year finding money for a truly better coach, insist on some changes.
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Post by bsu0 on Nov 13, 2023 10:50:17 GMT -6
If the present head of the BSU football program is not in tune enough to know that serious changes should be made fire his a--.
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Post by dcat on Nov 13, 2023 11:41:16 GMT -6
If the present head of the BSU football program is not in tune enough to know that serious changes should be made fire his a--. Agree. If Neu has to be told that his OC isn't getting the job done, then Neu needs to go. Neu should make thr appropriate changes without them being forced.
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Post by villagepub on Nov 13, 2023 13:03:24 GMT -6
With a record of 43 and 24. 43 and 24. A&M has deeeeeeeeeep pockets. A lot of wealthy donors. Yet they can't seem to buy top-tier success. Texas A&M has 2 of the Top 11 buyouts. A lot of variance in FBS programs. Someone compared BSU to what Texas A&M just did. Quite a stretch.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 13, 2023 13:09:38 GMT -6
What do you guys think about failed power 5 coaches... Im not sure but if you cant win with all the resources that being at a power 5 program brings can you win anywhere? I get good coaches get fired at big programs but I think I prefer hiring the cheaper up and comer than the retread
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Post by universityjim on Nov 13, 2023 13:14:59 GMT -6
What do you guys think about failed power 5 coaches... Im not sure but if you cant win with all the resources that being at a power 5 program brings can you win anywhere? I get good coaches get fired at big programs but I think I prefer hiring the cheaper up and comer than the retread Fisher did win a National Championship at Florida State. So he did win somewhere. I agree on the hiring cheaper up and comer, but you can always point to the job Frank Solich did at Ohio as a counterpoint to that.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 13, 2023 13:18:11 GMT -6
What do you guys think about failed power 5 coaches... Im not sure but if you cant win with all the resources that being at a power 5 program brings can you win anywhere? I get good coaches get fired at big programs but I think I prefer hiring the cheaper up and comer than the retread I'd prefer an up and coming hoping to hit it big someday vs. a retread just trying to have a job. McIlvane is a retread at CMU and while he's a good coach, Neu is 3-2 against him and CMU is barely above .500 with him. Akron tried a Bowden. NOPE. You want a coach who's succeeding up, not failing down.
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Post by connecticutcard on Nov 13, 2023 13:19:47 GMT -6
Scott Wooster teams can score points. Former GVSU coaches have fared well jumping up to D1.
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Post by universityjim on Nov 13, 2023 13:32:20 GMT -6
What do you guys think about failed power 5 coaches... Im not sure but if you cant win with all the resources that being at a power 5 program brings can you win anywhere? I get good coaches get fired at big programs but I think I prefer hiring the cheaper up and comer than the retread I'd prefer an up and coming hoping to hit it big someday vs. a retread just trying to have a job. McIlvane is a retread at CMU and while he's a good coach, Neu is 3-2 against him and CMU is barely above .500 with him. Akron tried a Bowden. NOPE. You want a coach who's succeeding up, not failing down. But that's the problem with making it to the top. There is no place to go but down. Expectations and salaries are way too high for some of these coaches. Most of them are set up to fail. Everyone at that level has the facilities and money. Few are going to be consistent winners. Even fewer are going to be big winners. There are not many Nick Saban's in the world.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 13, 2023 14:41:13 GMT -6
What do you guys think about failed power 5 coaches... Im not sure but if you cant win with all the resources that being at a power 5 program brings can you win anywhere? I get good coaches get fired at big programs but I think I prefer hiring the cheaper up and comer than the retread After thinking about it there are as you'd expect plusses and minuses. A lot of those fired big time coaches were once up and comers, so they probably know how to coach at a lower level. We're not going to get a real high salary guy anyway, but maybe a guy who failed at a lower P5 school. One advantage is that if they really want to make a comeback, we can get them cheaper than we might think, the buyout they get is offset by our salary but they'll be relatively high income on our pay plus the rest of the buyout. The question is judging how motivated they are. And are we a program that has a chance for them to come in and do well fairly quickly. I like the up and comers mostly because they may have a good staff and bring it along. The fired top coach will have connections and if he serious about getting back in the game, and is credible in thinking he can do it, might be able to get a staff we can afford, since they are expecting to move on quickly after early success. Which if that worked out might be just fine for us, our next head coach might come from that staff he hired. Seems very likely we are NOT that attractive a job to the fired HC, more attractive to a lower level coach. Also fairly likely that coach faces a learning curve and isn't all that likely to do a quick rebuild. AD will like the possibility of a low budget hire.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 13, 2023 15:00:34 GMT -6
I'd prefer an up and coming hoping to hit it big someday vs. a retread just trying to have a job. McIlvane is a retread at CMU and while he's a good coach, Neu is 3-2 against him and CMU is barely above .500 with him. Akron tried a Bowden. NOPE. You want a coach who's succeeding up, not failing down. But that's the problem with making it to the top. There is no place to go but down. Expectations and salaries are way too high for some of these coaches. Most of them are set up to fail. Everyone at that level has the facilities and money. Few are going to be consistent winners. Even fewer are going to be big winners. There are not many Nick Saban's in the world. Fair points.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2023 14:54:39 GMT -6
A&M has deeeeeeeeeep pockets. A lot of wealthy donors. Yet they can't seem to buy top-tier success. Texas A&M has 2 of the Top 11 buyouts. A lot of variance in FBS programs. Someone compared BSU to what Texas A&M just did. Quite a stretch. The article cited says no big donor required... ONLY 26 mil the first year and 7 mil a year after... For further comparison to BSU consider there are 66 assistant coaches in FBS making more than a million a year. Big time conference revenue is mind boggling.
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