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Post by bsucardinalfan on Dec 7, 2023 5:03:18 GMT -6
Part of the ugliness of that game was the officiating. Even with all the fouls called, they swallowed their whistle inside often. There was a sequence with either Hendricks or Doughty that looked like 3 missed foul calls in one play.
But they pulled it out which was good to see. Kept fighting and didn’t roll over like previous games.
We aren’t very good but I think most of the MAC is bad, so who knows.
What happened to the Croatian? He has a nice shooting touch.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 7, 2023 7:18:06 GMT -6
ESPN+ owes me a credit for sitting through that game As bad as the game was (and it was really bad), the announcers were even worse I think they recruited the camera crew from the local Parkinson's clinic. |
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Post by universityjim on Dec 7, 2023 7:57:46 GMT -6
Current KenPom Rankings of BSU & Opponents 12/7/2023
Akron (5-3) 103
Kent State (6-3) 108
Toledo (4-4) 117
Ohio (5-3) 135
Northern Illinois (5-3) 179
Bowling Green (5-3) 205
Miami (4-4) 250
Ball State (7-2) 255
Eastern Michigan (5-3) 295
Western Michigan (2-6) 309
Central Michigan (3-5) 313
Buffalo (1-8) 332
Indiana State (8-1) 61
Minnesota (6-3) 100
Evansville (7-2) 212 LOSS
Little Rock (4-4) 213 LOSS
Old Dominion (3-5) 228 WIN
Bellarmine (3-7) 233 WIN
Southern Illinois Edwardsville (6-4) 258
USC Upstate (4-5) 281 WIN
Detroit Mercy (0-9) 331 WIN
Arkansas Pine Bluff (4-6) 347 WIN
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Post by coastalcard on Dec 7, 2023 8:05:49 GMT -6
Interesting that we will play 331 and 332 this year.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 8:35:58 GMT -6
Bailey is a critical guard and we are far better offensively and defensively with him. We need Middleton and Jones coming off the bench. We definitely need Bailey to start. It's painful at times, but both those freshmen are better for the experience. It's gotta help Lewis teaching to have game video. Jones finally took some shots, Middleton is playing more in control. Brown is also getting experience he needs. Doughty is critical to our being competitive against big MAC lineups. Saw a few minutes last night. Our best lineup has Bailey. Jones may be a starter. In place of Hendriks. He's not a guard but has done well relatively well playing there. That's valuable to know since Bell has a long way to go. |
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Post by realitycheck on Dec 7, 2023 9:02:54 GMT -6
Part of the ugliness of that game was the officiating. Even with all the fouls called, they swallowed their whistle inside often. There was a sequence with either Hendricks or Doughty that looked like 3 missed foul calls in one play. But they pulled it out which was good to see. Kept fighting and didn’t roll over like previous games. We aren’t very good but I think most of the MAC is bad, so who knows. What happened to the Croatian? He has a nice shooting touch. Juri is not ready for Primetime. He's a project. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 7, 2023 9:25:29 GMT -6
We may be the only young team in the NCAA where upperclassman provide 75% of the scoring.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 7, 2023 9:44:42 GMT -6
We may be the only young team in the NCAA where upperclassman provide 75% of the scoring. That's the problem though. We have 3 upperclassmen doing ALL the heavy lifting. The rest of the team is still trying to figure it out and we aren't getting enough from them. Beyond Jihad/Pearson/Anderson no one else has much, if any D1 experience. The rest are freshmen or juco xfers. Big Ben essentially is a freshman in terms of actual on court experience. With Bailey out we lost that reliable 4th guy. Watts most likely would have been a starter if not a heavy contributor and he was a D1 vet. The freshmen have to step it up now but they're going to be inconsistent. Doughty missed 6 weeks of conditioning and most of preseason practice and it's obvious. He's not ready, thus we have to ride with Hendriks. Lewis said after the game last night that it's why you have 13 scholarship guys. They are there for a reason and need to play and need to figure it out, no excuses. As fans we'll make excuses, but none are coming the coaches or players. They need to be better and that's all there is to it. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 10:15:19 GMT -6
Need, and want, not being what's going to likely happen, not quickly anyway, a coach still has to get as close as possible to that.
Without Watts our ceiling a bit lower and early results are going to reflect it.
Jihad is better than we expected and Bailey too, or we'd really be seeing ugly.
Even with our 3 upperclassmen and Watts, we were not going to avoid ugly in the MAC. The story is the same. How much can the freshmen improve, thrown into the deep end? How good can we be at the end? How much will it improve future prospects?
Evansville and LR show how ugly it can be. ODU and stretches in other games which were good still don't reflect how good we can be. We have 4 freshmen with good D1 futures. No seniors. Two good recruits. We'll see some portal moves.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 7, 2023 10:24:28 GMT -6
Interesting that we will play 331 and 332 this year. 331, 332. Whatever it takes. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 10:39:46 GMT -6
Interesting that we will play 331 and 332 this year. 331, 332. Whatever it takes. Detroit Mercy is at least in our recruiting footprint and a logical regional rival. LR game had to be a schedule filler. Turned out to be more of a lesson, than a teaching experience ...was not going to be a complete pushover on the road. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 7, 2023 10:57:30 GMT -6
We have 4 freshmen with good D1 futures. No seniors. Two good recruits. We'll see some portal moves. Sure. Have a shit season this year for the purpose of "rebuilding". Spend a year for the purpose of training and improving players. Juniors carrying the load, who will be seniors at BSU next year. Freshman not doing a whole lot, but they might be good as upperclassmen at BSU. Love it. That's a foolproof plan there. What could possibly go wrong? |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 11:19:06 GMT -6
We have 4 freshmen with good D1 futures. No seniors. Two good recruits. We'll see some portal moves. Sure. Have a shit season this year for the purpose of "rebuilding". Spend a year for the purpose of training and improving players. Juniors carrying the load, who will be seniors at BSU next year. Freshman not doing a whole lot, but they might be good as upperclassmen at BSU. Love it. That's a foolproof plan there. What could possibly go wrong? I doubt that is the plan or was.
We rebuilt because we lost 4 players and one of them very late in the game. We planned on Watts being available.
I'm curiou s what your plan would have been to avoid a rebuild of some kind? Magical thinking on recruiting the portal is fine, I suppose, but would you really have avoided signing the freshman players we did? I'd guess Doughty, Middleton both represent scholarships we might alternatively have spent on a transfer for example. Brown may have been a plan B, for example.
Worst case. We don't know the whole story on last year's freshmen R/S situation. Assume we missed on one or two Plan A targets, is your plan to never do that? Good luck...
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 7, 2023 13:19:42 GMT -6
Sure. Have a shit season this year for the purpose of "rebuilding". Spend a year for the purpose of training and improving players. Juniors carrying the load, who will be seniors at BSU next year. Freshman not doing a whole lot, but they might be good as upperclassmen at BSU. Love it. That's a foolproof plan there. What could possibly go wrong?
I'm curious what your plan would have been to avoid a rebuild of some kind? Magical thinking on recruiting the portal is fine,
Glad you asked. Let's have a look at what our in-state peer, ISU did. They are currently at #61 in the nation. They would be the top team in the MAC, or at the very least a strong contender. Three of their top four players were brought in from the portal this year, from USI, USF, and Bradley. To you this IS magical thinking because you mind is so stuck in failure, excuse-making, bar-lowering and worship of the status quo that you can't comprehend how a mid-major coach could ever operate at this level. Likewise, I'm sure if I wanted to take the time to dive into the rosters of MAC contenders Akron, Kent, Toledo and OU, I could find similar methods of roster building that are fully within the reach of BSU, if we had the coach to do it. "Rebuilding year" is just another in a 20 year long line of lame ass excuses. It has long been used by apologists of weak recruiting, but with the portal it has become completely ridiculous. Recruiting talks and bullshit walks. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 13:51:44 GMT -6
I'm curious what your plan would have been to avoid a rebuild of some kind? Magical thinking on recruiting the portal is fine,
Glad you asked. Let's have a look at what our in-state peer, ISU did. They are currently at #61 in the nation. They would be the top team in the MAC, or at the very least a strong contender. Three of their top four players were brought in from the portal this year, from USI, USF, and Bradley. To you this IS magical thinking because you mind is so stuck in failure... So tell us what ISU and their coach did to have that success and how we might have applied the same formula.
Faced a different situation going into year 2.
This is his third season, so not entirely fair to compare is it? 11-20 and 4-14 his first year, what would you have said about that?
That year, much like this for BSU he had a lot of turnover to deal with. He had the chance last year not only to play with two full recruiting classes of his recruits but fill holes he needed to fill for this year.
He's a very good coach, but note that not only was he hired on a 5 year contract but got an extension through 28, after one good year. Two things you believe BSU should never do.
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