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Mar 23, 2024 13:30:04 GMT -6
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Post by amishalum on Mar 23, 2024 13:30:04 GMT -6
In terms of resource allocation and utilization, I guess we would look at the AD for that. And while Mitchell's comments, or lack thereof, regarding NIL are uninspiring, I think generally you'd have to say that BSU's general leadership in the AD position over the past 25 years has been better than average, or at least better than the performance of the coaches they've hired/directed. While virtually no BSU coach in football or men's basketball has moved on to bigger and better things, several ADs have. Bubba Cunningham now the AD at UNC. Bill Scholl at Marquette. Beth Goetz at Iowa. Only Tom Collins and Mark Sandy have not parlayed their time at BSU to greener pastures, although Sandy retired and Collins is at least still in the game (and probably making more than he did at BSU). But coaching success is usually pretty black and white. You win or you lose. AD success is probably viewed more in shades of gray. However you grade them, I would think Cunningham, Scholl and Goetz are at least viewed as decent managers of resources or they probably wouldn't hold their current jobs. Looking at decisions concerning the basketball program, this group of AD's has been ineffective at best, and often abysmal. And it's no coincidence that the program has plummeted this century in EVERY important measure: championship winning, national ranking, attendance. And, although it's more difficult to quantify, I think anyone would agree that the general level of excitement around the program and its ability to bring positive attention to the school has fallen just as far. What would you say is the BEST decision any of these AD's has made concerning basketball in 25 years? Firing the failing coaches were necessary decisions that were finally made after taking way, way too long and wasting years of time. What drives these people's moves upwards, I really don't know and don't much care. Maybe extraneous factors such has DEI came in to play in certain situations. Whatever the case may be, I can definitely say that their stewardship of BSU basketball brings no credit whatsoever to their reputations among sane people. Looking back at the last 20+ years I can’t recall any leadership decisions or success plan by any AD that I would characterize as great. To be a successful basketball program again we need an AD who not only makes smart hiring decisions but also has a vision and a plan to get there. Spouting generic, feel-good, mush mouth platitudes won’t do it. Gonzaga and Butler both rose to prominence when their respective president and AD made a conscious decision to become good in basketball. It wasn’t left to luck or happenstance. I’ve never seen any one at Ball State make a similar declaration
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Mar 23, 2024 13:58:05 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Mar 23, 2024 13:58:05 GMT -6
You sure aren't giving me any reasons you think none of this matters.
Why don't you produce the quote where I said none of this matters or else STFU?
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Mar 23, 2024 14:46:10 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 23, 2024 14:46:10 GMT -6
You sure aren't giving me any reasons you think none of this matters Why don't you produce the quote where I said none of this matters... So sorry, when you characterize a fund raising record that predicts poor prospects for finding outside resources as just "an excuse" you really were acknowledging it matters? That being a small budget athletic program with poor outside resources matters, but not very much? Where's that new NIL money going to come from? I know. Our superior corporate support with Muncie's vibrant local business development? Oh, but wait, I forgot, we once had a $15 mil brick and mortar windfall? And of course if most other MAC programs have been able to as much or more, that must mean we have an advantage given your theory how scarcity works?
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 23, 2024 17:33:11 GMT -6
Looking back at the last 20+ years I can’t recall any leadership decisions or success plan by any AD that I would characterize as great. To be a successful basketball program again we need an AD who not only makes smart hiring decisions but also has a vision and a plan to get there. Spouting generic, feel-good, mush mouth platitudes won’t do it. Gonzaga and Butler both rose to prominence when their respective president and AD made a conscious decision to become good in basketball. It wasn’t left to luck or happenstance. I’ve never seen any one at Ball State make a similar declaration Let's face it, nobody really cares about any decision an AD has made regarding basketball unless it's the hiring of a successful coach (which hasn't happened in that time period) or the firing of an unsuccessful one (which hasn't happened as quickly as most would like). However, some folks might remember a time when we didn't have a functioning scoreboard in Worthen Arena. There also was a time when there wasn't an auxiliary practice facility. I'm thinking locker rooms might have been updated in that time span also. While certainly a lot of that is not specific to men's basketball but benefits several sports, I would think those updates did provide benefits to men's basketball. You can argue that our recruiting hasn't been great but I might wonder how much worse it might have been if those updates (and I'm sure others might be aware of even more changes) had not been made. Yes, we all would trade all those items for a couple of MAC championships, but you can't just ignore infrastructure if you're an AD. In fact, I would bet the coaches were begging for such updates and would say they were of great benefit to the programs. But I guess you could argue what the hell they knew since they all failed to deliver winners anyway.
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Mar 23, 2024 19:11:11 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 23, 2024 19:11:11 GMT -6
For those who have not checked your email today.. If your season ticket holder your likely going to be effected. To summarize we are adding new better seating to lower bowl area. In order to do so they will lose 150 seats. So the decision has been made to do a seat reset. Everyone will get to pick thier season seats based on how much they give to CVC If you do not give to CVC you pick after all donors. You will also gain additional points for years of holding tickets since 1995 and amount given since 2014
This is going to anger many
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Mar 23, 2024 20:05:03 GMT -6
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 23, 2024 20:05:03 GMT -6
For those who have not checked your email today.. If your season ticket holder your likely going to be effected. To summarize we are adding new better seating to lower bowl area. In order to do so they will lose 150 seats. So the decision has been made to do a seat reset. Everyone will get to pick thier season seats based on how much they give to CVC If you do not give to CVC you pick after all donors. You will also gain additional points for years of holding tickets since 1995 and amount given since 2014 This is going to anger many What percentage of season ticket holders DO NOT give to the CVC? And didn't they already do this this past season with the courtside seats they were offering in terms of giving priority seating to big donors? This just sounds like they're expanding that. But yeah, I'm sure some folks will get displaced and will be pissed.
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Mar 23, 2024 20:12:32 GMT -6
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 23, 2024 20:12:32 GMT -6
Why don't you produce the quote where I said none of this matters... So sorry, when you characterize a fund raising record that predicts poor prospects for finding outside resources as just "an excuse" you really were acknowledging it matters? That being a small budget athletic program with poor outside resources matters, but not very much? Where's that new NIL money going to come from? I know. Our superior corporate support with Muncie's vibrant local business development? Oh, but wait, I forgot, we once had a $15 mil brick and mortar windfall? And of course if most other MAC programs have been able to as much or more, that must mean we have an advantage given your theory how scarcity works? . If you can’t produce a quote of me saying anything like what you say I said, then you really should STFU when you are called on it You are a liar, and the one person on this board that I would refuse to have a beer with
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Mar 23, 2024 20:39:35 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 23, 2024 20:39:35 GMT -6
So sorry, when you characterize a fund raising record that predicts poor prospects for finding outside resources as just "an excuse" you really were acknowledging it matters? That being a small budget athletic program with poor outside resources matters, but not very much? Where's that new NIL money going to come from? I know. Our superior corporate support with Muncie's vibrant local business development? Oh, but wait, I forgot, we once had a $15 mil brick and mortar windfall? And of course if most other MAC programs have been able to as much or more, that must mean we have an advantage given your theory how scarcity works? . If you can’t produce a quote of me saying anything like what you say I said, then you really should STFU when you are called on it You are a liar, and the one person on this board that I would refuse to have a beer with C'mon Sherm. The post is there about you dismissing funding as just an excuse. You argue NIL is critical, which I agree with, then you're the one that got caught in a fairly stupid challenge about BSU resources and potential for our fund raising for athletics.
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Mar 23, 2024 21:25:19 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 23, 2024 21:25:19 GMT -6
Yes they did offer the courtside to tge big donors first. Courtside remains unchanged fir next year. I have no idea about % of season tickets holders who do not give to cvc but its probably more than you think. In the area around me 3 of my friends and a couple other younger familys are not in CVC because it really does not have a benifit Till you donate 1500 bucks or whatver it is to get hosp room where yoy can get free popcorn. I personally give enough to get my parking pass plus what I give on one day and directly to FB
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Mar 23, 2024 21:57:42 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 23, 2024 21:57:42 GMT -6
One main difference is it says giving amount for 2024-2025 season will be primary factor and we have till june 30th to give to our desired level. So I could give 2500 bucks jump up a few tiers and get to choose before someone who had thier seats for 25 years.. Yes thier are bonus loyality but they dont add up to much
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Mar 24, 2024 7:54:02 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 24, 2024 7:54:02 GMT -6
So sorry, when you characterize a fund raising record that predicts poor prospects for finding outside resources as just "an excuse" ...Where's that new NIL money going to come from? . You are a liar, and the one person on this board that I would refuse to have a beer with I guess It's'll live with that in the event you ever come to Muncie to support the Cards. Just have to do without the incessant negativity about BSU sports, the insults to players, coaches, athletic department personnel, and other BSU people, and of course I'll miss your half baked theories about hiring BB coaches with no guarantees or qualifications, and your most recent theories on how when you use resources it's proof you have more to spend in the future. Even though we agree on some things and I do enjoy your contributions to the Muncie crime reporting thread and Bane thread, I'll muddle through. But, you know, if you do come to join in to support the Cards, I'll buy the first round. Oh, also, I have a few FB tickets I can probably offer you, for sure I can provide for those November night games.
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Mar 24, 2024 8:38:01 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Mar 24, 2024 8:38:01 GMT -6
I realize that squabbles like this are everyone's least favorite thing to see on a sports message board. But this guy continually crosses a line with his lying.
Just to recap the latest example, I wrote earlier in this very thread: "So, for the time being, we have a situation where the most critical competitive factor, NIL - the means by which a programs most important assets are acquired and paid for"
Just a few post later, 00hmh, writes (concerning my position on NIL): "You sure aren't giving me any reasons you think none of this matters."
Obviously I said the direct opposite of "none of this matters." When I call him out on this blatant mischaracterization, he won't own up. I understand it's not easy to exactly remember every post here and everyone's exact position on things, but if you're caught twisting someone's words 180 degrees, you should back down. He does this sort of thing with some regularity. I've disagreed with pretty much everyone on this board at one time or another, but I really don't remember much, if any, of this sort of argument by dishonesty. I can argue against points I think to be misguided or stupid all day long (as you may have noticed), but I really dislike having to correct misrepresentations of my words.
So just be advised - 00hmh is a liar.
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Mar 24, 2024 9:28:19 GMT -6
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Post by david75bsu on Mar 24, 2024 9:28:19 GMT -6
The MAC SCHOOL WITH THE MOST NIL by a country mile is UMass!
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Mar 24, 2024 9:46:28 GMT -6
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 24, 2024 9:46:28 GMT -6
One main difference is it says giving amount for 2024-2025 season will be primary factor and we have till june 30th to give to our desired level. So I could give 2500 bucks jump up a few tiers and get to choose before someone who had thier seats for 25 years.. Yes thier are bonus loyality but they dont add up to much I'm sure the people who will be moved don't feel this way, but to me it's a little of much ado about nothing. Every game there are plenty of good seats in Worthen. We could also look at it this way. Who might be the most likely people to contribute large dollar amounts to the athletic program? I'm guessing CVC members. So do you, as a non-CVC member, mind moving back 5 rows for the people who might donate the NIL that's going to bring a consistent winner to the arena? I'd also say that I wouldn't give priority seating in Worthen to people who target all their funds to another sport. The prime seats are going to go people who donate specifically to basketball, then to people who donate to other sports, then just the non-CVC season-ticket holders.
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Mar 24, 2024 10:10:28 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 24, 2024 10:10:28 GMT -6
I dont have a problem Ill jusy buy seats where I want from what our left. Its the people who have been sitting in those front 8 rows for twenty years. Now I can walk in ticket office tomorrow drop 5K down and get my pick of tickets over 99% of them
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