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Post by cardfan on Feb 13, 2024 11:39:06 GMT -6
We don't actually have 5 starters from a quality standpoint. Bailey should be deep on the bench or not even on the roster. Anderson should be coming off the bench. Middleton should be coming off the bench as a freshman for sure. Pearson should be coming off the bench. In other words, you would just trot out Jihad by himself and tell the ref, "My team is on the floor". Worth trying. I'm on board. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 13, 2024 11:51:27 GMT -6
We don't actually have 5 starters from a quality standpoint. Bailey should be deep on the bench or not even on the roster. Anderson should be coming off the bench. Middleton should be coming off the bench as a freshman for sure. Pearson should be coming off the bench. That is an exaggeration, although you are correct each has some limitations. Add one high quality player to replace any one of those guys and we would be a top 5 team. Maybe if the high quality player was Oscar Robertson. Or Bane. |
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Post by cardfan on Feb 13, 2024 14:30:28 GMT -6
Bane!
I will say I think if we had Jacobs again this year we'd be much better off. Dude was a warrior and was a tough, steadying influence. He'd be that PG we just do not have. But, it doesn't work that way. Our guard play has just been too inconsistent and to lax with the ball. Give Jihad a really effective guard out there with him we might be looking a bit different. Hell, if Coleman had stayed like he should have and built on what he began to be last year, we'd have something. We just lack a guard who can say "I'll make that play" late in games to tip the scales in our favor. Sadly, we don't have what we don't have and nothing can change that this year. Unless Bane shows up for the last 7 games.....
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 13, 2024 16:48:14 GMT -6
We don't actually have 5 starters from a quality standpoint. Bailey should be deep on the bench or not even on the roster. Anderson should be coming off the bench. Middleton should be coming off the bench as a freshman for sure. Pearson should be coming off the bench. In other words, you would just trot out Jihad by himself and tell the ref, "My team is on the floor". Worth trying. No, what I'm saying is that Lewis failed in recruiting 5 capable starters |
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Feb 13, 2024 17:25:34 GMT -6
The late departure by Coleman was a blow to the team. It was pretty late to replace him with a quality guy. So you unexpectedly lost a prime starter. Dominos from there on the rest of the team. Not 100% why we are in this position, but definitely had an impact.
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 13, 2024 17:47:00 GMT -6
The late departure by Coleman was a blow to the team. It was pretty late to replace him with a quality guy. So you unexpectedly lost a prime starter. Dominos from there on the rest of the team. Not 100% why we are in this position, but definitely had an impact. We lost a lot - Sparks, Coleman, our guy in Florida! Lewis failed to re- recruit these guys for this year. Replacements could not make for this loss. Have to give Lewis an “f” for his first true recruiting class. Can he keep the good of what he has got and get some quality additions? What he has coming in right now won’t fix our major weaknesses. |
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Post by cardfan on Feb 13, 2024 18:11:26 GMT -6
I wouldn’t say Lewis “failed” to re-recruit those guys. If he even tried he was gonna get out bid anyway. Sparks and Sellers got really nice paydays— money any bsu collective has not generated, or hadn’t as of last April. No idea what Coleman got but he clearly effed Lewis/his teammates over by suddenly bailing when he got his degree in late July. I think all indications up to that point were boogie was gonna be back. Lewis said all 3 guys got more than his assistants are paid. We had zero power to compete with that. Lewis is behind the 8 ball now and had better get some recruiting wins or his tenure won’t be long and he won’t get a P5 job.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 13, 2024 20:19:35 GMT -6
I think in terms of Lewis' demeanor and whether it's too abrasive for today's players, IMO the key player to watch come transfer season is Jones.
This was the first kid Lewis recruited in kind of a normal cycle. He had a year to watch the team, observe Lewis up close, and still decided to show up. He's played quite a lot as a freshman so PT isn't likely going to be a reason he'd transfer. And although I think he has promise, he hasn't shown enough that anyone is likely to flash some significant NIL offer that would draw him off.
And you would think Lewis would want to keep him, so losing him would be damning.
Most everyone else on the roster could leave and offer a variety of reasons beyond the coach's personality that might be legitimate.
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 13, 2024 20:32:47 GMT -6
On one hand I can consider giving Lewis some sort of pass for two high level players bolting for the portal very late in the process, but OTOH, he still had to recruit several roster spots and other schools had late departures as well. The harsh reality is that he failed to recruit one solid starter (besides maybe Anderson) and the guys he did recruit to fill the bench are clearly not capable subs.
BTW, did anybody watch the TX St presser? He totally ripped Middleton a new one for his defense the last few games. I mean kinda over the top - said "atrocious" was the kindest word he could think of to use. He also ripped the MAC/ Sunbelt challenge, saying it was a scheduling and financial distraction for budget strapped MAC teams. I don't disagree with him, but to a point Sherm has made many times, it feels like he's been ramping up the excuses publicly over the last few weeks - not a good sign.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 13, 2024 21:21:18 GMT -6
And I don't think it should shock anybody that the players Lewis inherited, however talented they might have been compared to what he's brought in so far, do not have that mental make-up. Hell, they came to BSU to play for James Whitford. You couldn't have two coaches who are more polar opposites emotionally. Well it was often claimed around here last year that once Lewis brought in "his players" who would be "tough" that the results would improve. Instead it seems to me that Lewis's players are not "tougher" than Whitford's, they are just "worse". And certainly, the results have not improved. And the excuse this year isn't the weakness of Whitford's players...it's the lack of them. It seems to me that you're so intent on criticizing excuse making that you treat things that aren't excuses like they're excuses. We suck this year because Whitford's players were better than our current roster. That's not an excuse, it's a fact. I'm only aware of one person here who will consistently try to lessen the blame for failure by pointing to anything and everything, and if you haven't blocked that guy yet then you deserve the nonsense you get from him. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 13, 2024 21:28:09 GMT -6
BTW, did anybody watch the TX St presser? He totally ripped Middleton a new one for his defense the last few games. I mean kinda over the top - said "atrocious" was the kindest word he could think of to use. He also ripped the MAC/ Sunbelt challenge, saying it was a scheduling and financial distraction for budget strapped MAC teams. I don't disagree with him, but to a point Sherm has made many times, it feels like he's been ramping up the excuses publicly over the last few weeks - not a good sign. I didn't watch it so I don't know exactly what he said, but like I just argued to Sherm a second ago, I'd differentiate general bitching with excuse making. Did he say "nobody can be expected to win under these circumstances?" or did he say "why, when I'm fighting like hell to get into the MAC tourney, do I have to stop and play a random Sun Belt opponent in Texas?" I'd say one is excuse making and the other is being pissed off. Sherman thinks people here bitching about how we miss Whitford's players is excuse making, when (at least for me) it's being pissed off. Either way, I agree with you that it's not a good sign in that he shouldn't be saying it - whether it's excuse making or being pissed off, he's got to keep it internal. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 13, 2024 21:49:22 GMT -6
BTW, did anybody watch the TX St presser? He totally ripped Middleton a new one for his defense the last few games. I mean kinda over the top - said "atrocious" was the kindest word he could think of to use. He also ripped the MAC/ Sunbelt challenge, saying it was a scheduling and financial distraction for budget strapped MAC teams. I don't disagree with him, but to a point Sherm has made many times, it feels like he's been ramping up the excuses publicly over the last few weeks - not a good sign. I didn't watch it so I don't know exactly what he said, but like I just argued to Sherm a second ago, I'd differentiate general bitching with excuse making. Did he say "nobody can be expected to win under these circumstances?" or did he say "why, when I'm fighting like hell to get into the MAC tourney, do I have to stop and play a random Sun Belt opponent in Texas?" I'd say one is excuse making and the other is being pissed off. Sherman thinks people here bitching about how we miss Whitford's players is excuse making, when (at least for me) it's being pissed off. Either way, I agree with you that it's not a good sign in that he shouldn't be saying it - whether it's excuse making or being pissed off, he's got to keep it internal. The complaint about the Sun Belt games was more an off hand comment that he hadn't liked the idea from the start. Not exactly being pissed, certainly not raising it as an excuse, just objective, like who thought this was a good idea. About Middleton, he was talking about about defensive fundamentals, exasperated that he had been doing better and regressed this game. That was response to the reporter saying Middleton did well. Bailey, too, and Middleton just aren't playing both ends of the court and Lewis wants defense first. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 14, 2024 7:02:33 GMT -6
Why would I block 00? His lengthy posts are like this:  |
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 14, 2024 7:24:08 GMT -6
Let me make clear first that, while currently very disappointed, I have not given up on Lewis. He took an ass-whuppin from the portal last year (and is currently paying the price), but maybe he's learned something? This next off season and portal is absolutely vital.
But you guys haven't been paying any attention if you don't realize that these things we are seeing now ARE excuses. And I don't mean just by dim-witted posters on this board. They are a preview of what we will hear from the administration if it comes time to make a hard decision on Lewis. The BSU administration has shown repeatedly that they are extremely disinclined to make coaching changes. Not only don't they like to break their ill-advised, over-long contracts and buy out, they will actually extend coaches who have accomplished basically nothing over multiple years. Repeated failed and underachieving season do not bother them like they bother us.
And when they make these decisions, they don't have any better excuses than what we see here ahead of time from our establishment-worshipping friends on this board. The low-expectation, excuse-based culture of the BSU athletics department has been very accurately mirrored and previewed here throughout the Buckley, Taylor and Whitford years.
You guys have noticed this....right?
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Post by villagepub on Feb 14, 2024 8:49:57 GMT -6
The late departure by Coleman was a blow to the team. It was pretty late to replace him with a quality guy. So you unexpectedly lost a prime starter. Dominos from there on the rest of the team. Not 100% why we are in this position, but definitely had an impact. Yeah. The timing sucked. |
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