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Post by 00hmh on Feb 18, 2024 17:58:26 GMT -6
Will cheerleaders now attempt to unionize? Band members? Debate team? Etc etc. Student employees all over campus? The reasoning of the Dartmouth decision would not say so. |
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 18, 2024 20:54:40 GMT -6
Will cheerleaders now attempt to unionize? Band members? Debate team? Etc etc. Student employees all over campus? The reasoning of the Dartmouth decision would not say so. Seems to me that under the NLRB ruling the marching band and cheerleaders/Code Red dancers would definitely qualify. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 18, 2024 21:43:49 GMT -6
The reasoning of the Dartmouth decision would not say so. Seems to me that under the NLRB ruling the marching band and cheerleaders/Code Red dancers would definitely qualify. The decision applied to Dartmouth because they were not a Public university which would be exempt. And that Ivy League membership where competing institutions were private was a factor. Northwestern football failed in a previous case because D1 and B10 football is predominately public institution "employment," and the Northwestern competitors had public exempt status. State labor law on public employees would generally apply to public universities not the NLRA. Limits on educators and student employees are common there. The NLRB decision likely to be appealed as well, where it's fate is at best uncertain. Whether volunteer student activities like band and dancers would meet the threshold of control and compensation is debatable even if those problems didn't exist. |
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 19, 2024 10:45:34 GMT -6
The cold hard truth is it will take money, lots of it, to hire a winning team. This past week a labor board ruled the Dartmouth men's basketball team can join a union. www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/finance-and-economy/2838726/labor-board-grThe board stated the basketball players are employees of the university. If they vote to join the union they will be eligible for all the other benefits that Dartmouth union workers receive. So much for student athletes. Just buy a basketball team. Go Cards! RF Sad! Courts should never have stuck their nose in this, but than that’s what courts do these days. These are “student” athletes who get scholarships to pay for a college degree. I spent four years in the Navy to pay for my degree. This is turning me off of college sports. Already tossed out the woke professional games, freed up time and added to my quality of life. College sports is quickly moving in the same direction - more improvement to quality of life is one its way. Sick and tired of all the bullshit by spoiled brats. Don’t need it in my life. Felt they earned their scholarships. Beyound that, sorry, don’t want it, don’t need it. |
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 19, 2024 10:49:35 GMT -6
The reasoning of the Dartmouth decision would not say so. Seems to me that under the NLRB ruling the marching band and cheerleaders/Code Red dancers would definitely qualify. The NLRB is a dangerous and distructive political creature that needs deep sixed like most of the Federal bureaucracy that has created a system of self serving assholes who feel they know what’s best for me and you. Sorry to rant, but government needs to get the hell out of our lives - it’s destroying the fabric of American life! They weren’t elected, but they are in control. Hope this doesn’t get me kicked off the board - this rant is officially over, just had to get it off my chest. |
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Post by villagepub on Feb 19, 2024 11:00:46 GMT -6
Little League is next.
July & August tournaments make ESPN a crap load of money.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 19, 2024 11:08:15 GMT -6
Damn shame we didn't get paid for neighborhood pick up football games back when I was a kid. I rushed for more yards than Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Emmit Smith and Barry Sanders combined.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 19, 2024 14:02:59 GMT -6
Seems to me that under the NLRB ruling the marching band and cheerleaders/Code Red dancers would definitely qualify. The NLRB is a dangerous and distructive political creature that needs deep sixed like most of the Federal bureaucracy that has created a system of self serving assholes who feel they know what’s best for me and you. Sorry to rant, but government needs to get the hell out of our lives - it’s destroying the fabric of American life! They weren’t elected, but they are in control. Hope this doesn’t get me kicked off the board - this rant is officially over, just had to get it off my chest. The NLRB is now not playing much of a role anyway. That's the good news. Of all the regulatory schemes it has little power since unions are dying out anyway.
Historically, unions were probably needed to protect labor in the days of Upton Sinclair's Jungle. The Unions produced some worker protection laws that have served well. We probably wouldn't have any number of health and safety provisions without that political power. There was a period where unions and Federal labor law too strong a force. Now not so.
Even in pro sports the baseball unions broke the monopoly of the owners and improved the game by preventing player exploitation.
Unions now have declined in power and influence, so I don't think they are now destroying anything much. The union era is mostly over.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 19, 2024 14:08:37 GMT -6
The cold hard truth is it will take money, lots of it, to hire a winning team. This past week a labor board ruled the Dartmouth men's basketball team can join a union. Sad! Courts should never have stuck their nose in this, but than that’s what courts do these days. These are “student” athletes who get scholarships to pay for a college degree. I spent four years in the Navy to pay for my degree. This is turning me off of college sports. Already tossed out the woke professional games, freed up time and added to my quality of life. College sports is quickly moving in the same direction - more improvement to quality of life is one its way. Sick and tired of all the bullshit by spoiled brats. Don’t need it in my life. Felt they earned their scholarships. Beyound that, sorry, don’t want it, don’t need it. I am a lot more sympathetic to this rant!
The big money in college sports needed something done. So along comes NIL. But instead of just sharing the wealth in some rational way, NIL is a mess and the failure of the NCAA and both state and federal legislatures to create some rules has created a monster. The student greed sometimes looks kinda minor compared to the big boy college programs that are raking in the dough, the two together sure are not pretty. The combination is killing mid major sports for sure.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 19, 2024 15:02:38 GMT -6
Unions now have declined in power and influence, so I don't think they are now destroying anything much. The union era is mostly over.
It depends on what industry you work in. I know of a few that the unions are making inroads. And The Jungle is simply communist propaganda disguised as an exposé. The vast majority of the meat-packing stories were untrue, but give people a kernel of truth and they'll extrapolate to extreme conclusions. |
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 19, 2024 16:12:51 GMT -6
Unions now have declined in power and influence, so I don't think they are now destroying anything much. The union era is mostly over.
It depends on what industry you work in. I know of a few that the unions are making inroads. And The Jungle is simply communist propaganda disguised as an exposé. The vast majority of the meat-packing stories were untrue, but give people a kernel of truth and they'll extrapolate to extreme conclusions. Unions destroyed Muncie. My dad worked at Warner Gear and retired in the early seventies. There was a time when unions served a good purpose. Starting in the mid 60’s that purpose had disappeared. My dad complained about young men coming to Warner Gear in the sixties, all the wanted was their checks. The didn’t care about the quality of the parts coming off the line. The union did nothing to stop this type of crap. My son-in-law worked at the Lordstown GM plant in Warren/Youngstown , Ohio. Same thing, the people on the line would be watching tv on their smart phones as cars went down the line. They had to rent sites to park cars that didn’t work correctly as they came off the line. That plant is now closed. Many American workers got lazy and fat! Is it any wonder that lots of manufacturing went off shore. Sorry, unions destroyed American manufacturing. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 19, 2024 16:36:52 GMT -6
Unions now have declined in power and influence, so I don't think they are now destroying anything much. The union era is mostly over.
It depends on what industry you work in. I know of a few that the unions are making inroads. And The Jungle is simply communist propaganda disguised as an exposé. The vast majority of the meat-packing stories were untrue, but give people a kernel of truth and they'll extrapolate to extreme conclusions. You are right there are some areas where unions are formed, but they are not very strong unions, many public employee unions regulated by state law, mostly with no right to strike. Unions had power when the big industry could be paralyzed by Teamsters (legally) refusing to cross the picket line of other unions. Robots cannot unionize, or pay union dues to support a strike, and automation has produced so many fewer better paid jobs that workers are relatively happy. Right to Work laws now are in effect in Northern states, so union dues are harder to collect...
The Jungle was full of dramatic license and it was after all fiction. But most scholars believe it was based on Sinclair's direct observation and his depiction of conditions was verified by Teddy Roosevelt's investigation. Sinclair was a socialist, but not a Communist, and he was no doubt a muckraker.
However, the labor economics is pretty well documented. The hours worked in that era were brutal, no child labor laws, the wages abysmally low, and if injured on the job, even by fault of the employer there was no remedy. No workers comp, no employer responsibility under the theory that the worker assumed the risk, knew it was dangerous work. Of course without a job, without any social services workers didn't have much choice but stay at the job and take high risk for low wage.
It was a case of supply and demand, literally a hundred in line outside the factory if a job came open. Lots of poor migrants ( some ethnic European, many from the South and Appalachia. A buyers market for labor. A worker complains, his skill level was relatively low (hacking meat with a machete like tool). He could be fired and easily replaced. The industry was very profitable.
The novel did create a stir and laws protecting the workers were eventually passed that were needed. It wasn't exactly what Sinclair wanted, but the most important result was probably creation of the FDA to inspect food which was protection for the consumer not the worker...
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 19, 2024 16:43:58 GMT -6
It depends on what industry you work in. I know of a few that the unions are making inroads. And The Jungle is simply communist propaganda disguised as an exposé. The vast majority of the meat-packing stories were untrue, but give people a kernel of truth and they'll extrapolate to extreme conclusions. Unions destroyed Muncie. My dad worked at Warner Gear and retired in the early seventies. There was a time when unions served a good purpose. Starting in the mid 60’s that purpose had disappeared. My dad complained about young men coming to Warner Gear in the sixties, all the wanted was their checks. The didn’t care about the quality of the parts coming off the line. The union did nothing to stop this type of crap. My son-in-law worked at the Lordstown GM plant in Warren/Youngstown , Ohio. Same thing, the people on the line would be watching tv on their smart phones as cars went down the line. They had to rent sites to park cars that didn’t work correctly as they came off the line. That plant is now closed. Many American workers got lazy and fat! Is it any wonder that lots of manufacturing went off shore. Sorry, unions destroyed American manufacturing. Unions and the demise of the auto industry due first to foreign competition, then to non union workers in new plants in the South. By the 90's and early 2000's unions were working pretty closely to make sure workers worked. Union activity was about benefits, job retention, not wages and things were changing. Not good for Muncie factory workers, but on the other hand many jobs nation wide were lost in all domestic industry due to automation, those old factories like Warner Gear were just not efficient.
It wasn't just the supply side. Demand changed drastically in the auto industry. Consumers don't buy a new car every two or three years now... |
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Post by thebsukid on Feb 19, 2024 18:47:33 GMT -6
Unions in auto stink; that’s why virtually all the imports build in the South
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Post by villagepub on Feb 19, 2024 21:17:03 GMT -6
Unions, where work ethic goes to die.
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