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Post by lmills72 on Feb 28, 2024 21:57:41 GMT -6
This is what Ive said time and time again. It does not matter if its Lewis or bob the builder. Until we can offer real money we are going to get scraps. You want a top 100 portal kid open your checkbook hes not coming here with out it.. This is not some fantasy its as real as it gets I'm fine with kids getting what they can. I'm fine with people spending their money on whatever their hobbies might be ... in this case college sports. I might think it's ridiculous, but it's their right to make and spend money as they can. College athletes and boosters aren't the only folks who do things that, IMO, are a bit foolish. And I'll probably root for Ball State teams for as long as the university fields them. However, I would not shed one tear if tomorrow the university announced that it was disbanding its athletic program. In fact I'd probably praise the administration for finally recognizing that they cannot win the game they are playing. Continuing with college athletics as they currently exist would seem to be the definition of "throwing good money after bad." |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 28, 2024 22:10:47 GMT -6
This is what Ive said time and time again. It does not matter if its Lewis or bob the builder. Until we can offer real money we are going to get scraps. You want a top 100 portal kid open your checkbook hes not coming here with out it.. This is not some fantasy its as real as it gets I'm fine with kids getting what they can. I'm fine with people spending their money on whatever their hobbies might be ... in this case college sports. I might think it's ridiculous, but it's their right to make and spend money as they can. College athletes and boosters aren't the only folks who do things that, IMO, are a bit foolish. And I'll probably root for Ball State teams for as long as the university fields them. However, I would not shed one tear if tomorrow the university announced that it was disbanding its athletic program. In fact I'd probably praise the administration for finally recognizing that they cannot win the game they are playing. Continuing with college athletics as they currently exist would seem to be the definition of "throwing good money after bad." Who knows that might happen someday but we all myself included sit here and bitch all day about who we recruited or who transfered who wevdid not get etc. Lewis and Neu are stuck behind the 8 ball maybe they are not great coaches either but today right now you get what you can pay for.. Thats reality like it or not |
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 28, 2024 22:36:33 GMT -6
I'm fine with kids getting what they can. I'm fine with people spending their money on whatever their hobbies might be ... in this case college sports. I might think it's ridiculous, but it's their right to make and spend money as they can. College athletes and boosters aren't the only folks who do things that, IMO, are a bit foolish. And I'll probably root for Ball State teams for as long as the university fields them. However, I would not shed one tear if tomorrow the university announced that it was disbanding its athletic program. In fact I'd probably praise the administration for finally recognizing that they cannot win the game they are playing. Continuing with college athletics as they currently exist would seem to be the definition of "throwing good money after bad." Who knows that might happen someday but we all myself included sit here and bitch all day about who we recruited or who transfered who wevdid not get etc. Lewis and Neu are stuck behind the 8 ball maybe they are not great coaches either but today right now you get what you can pay for.. Thats reality like it or not C'mon now, not all 19 of us bitch about that stuff. There is Rusty. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 28, 2024 23:13:43 GMT -6
oh rusty
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Post by villagepub on Feb 29, 2024 6:26:19 GMT -6
Another view of MAC expansion -
Expand the conference while it is possible before some conference contraction happens. We don't know the long term effect of NIL on
the weaker G5 conferences, so the MAC better expand now with the anticipation that not all schools will remain.
If this is the case, then I feel they have started expansion way too late.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 29, 2024 6:44:25 GMT -6
Another view of MAC expansion - Expand the conference while it is possible before some conference contraction happens. We don't know the long term effect of NIL on the weaker G5 conferences, so the MAC better expand now with the anticipation that not all schools will remain. If this is the case, then I feel they have started expansion way too late. Well, It's the MAC, so ...... |
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 29, 2024 6:46:14 GMT -6
I'm fine with kids getting what they can. I'm fine with people spending their money on whatever their hobbies might be ... in this case college sports. I might think it's ridiculous, but it's their right to make and spend money as they can. College athletes and boosters aren't the only folks who do things that, IMO, are a bit foolish. And I'll probably root for Ball State teams for as long as the university fields them. However, I would not shed one tear if tomorrow the university announced that it was disbanding its athletic program. In fact I'd probably praise the administration for finally recognizing that they cannot win the game they are playing. Continuing with college athletics as they currently exist would seem to be the definition of "throwing good money after bad." Who knows that might happen someday but we all myself included sit here and bitch all day about who we recruited or who transfered who wevdid not get etc. Lewis and Neu are stuck behind the 8 ball maybe they are not great coaches either but today right now you get what you can pay for.. Thats reality like it or not Yes, with the advent of NIL, no BSU coach can ever be expected to win the Big10 or the SEC. Fortunately, we play in the MAC. |
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Post by cardfan on Feb 29, 2024 6:56:11 GMT -6
I'm fine with kids getting what they can. I'm fine with people spending their money on whatever their hobbies might be ... in this case college sports. I might think it's ridiculous, but it's their right to make and spend money as they can. College athletes and boosters aren't the only folks who do things that, IMO, are a bit foolish. And I'll probably root for Ball State teams for as long as the university fields them. However, I would not shed one tear if tomorrow the university announced that it was disbanding its athletic program. In fact I'd probably praise the administration for finally recognizing that they cannot win the game they are playing. Continuing with college athletics as they currently exist would seem to be the definition of "throwing good money after bad." Who knows that might happen someday but we all myself included sit here and bitch all day about who we recruited or who transfered who wevdid not get etc. Lewis and Neu are stuck behind the 8 ball maybe they are not great coaches either but today right now you get what you can pay for.. Thats reality like it or not The fact is, whether we like it or not, many of the best players today are not playing for schools or coaches or programs, they are playing for cash. They go to the highest bidder. The impact players, the differences makers, those are the ones we just cannot afford financially. And yes, there are a handful of MAC schools who CAN afford those players because there has been a commitment to it, so they get them. Could we pool ALL our lame NIL and attract one kid who's a difference maker? Perhaps. But, at what expense in terms of team unity/chemistry/composition? If one player gets all the money you're not gong to be able to get any others you could consider difference makers. How is the rest of your roster going to feel about one kids getting it all and them getting squat? And then when that one player you bought has one good year and moves onto a higher bidder the next year, you've got nothing unless you can attract yet another high level player using all your NIL money. The rest of the roster will always be meh. Unless BSU can come up with a truly competitive NIL we just not going to be able to purchase the higher level talent we think we should be getting. As Mitchell has said, we (BSU) need to decide what kind of overall program we want to be. If we decide there's no way we can raise the kind of money you'd need annual to attract championship level talent for our flagship programs, then what? |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 29, 2024 7:59:59 GMT -6
Another view of MAC expansion - Expand the conference while it is possible before some conference contraction happens. We don't know the long term effect of NIL on the weaker G5 conferences, so the MAC better expand now with the anticipation that not all schools will remain. If this is the case, then I feel they have started expansion way too late. The MAC cannot survive as FBS, so to late or early doesn't matter until we solve that. Expansion now is based on that FB commitment, and we're talking FB schools. Expansion and change to an MVC model of optional FBS makes sense. We can be a mid level conference with more modest NIL and athletic budget. Maybe. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 29, 2024 8:02:56 GMT -6
If only football supporters could figure out a way to force students to pay for NIL through fees, the way they have to cover the other $10 million plus of losses necessary for "D1" football. Then BSU would have a good yearly chance to reach the golden promised land of the Bud's Trash Hauling Bowl, or whatever bowl it is the top MAC teams aspire to.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 29, 2024 8:08:22 GMT -6
Who knows that might happen someday but we all myself included sit here and bitch all day about who we recruited or who transfered who wevdid not get etc. Lewis and Neu are stuck behind the 8 ball maybe they are not great coaches either but today right now you get what you can pay for.. Thats reality like it or not Yes, with the advent of NIL, no BSU coach can ever be expected to win the Big10 or the SEC. Fortunately, we play in the MAC. Sherm are you forgetting we're going to have to use meager NIL resources for FB? And maybe more meager athletic budget. Worse thought, that means we're in existential crisis. The MAC is not surviving with that model. And your dream? We're not going to return to 1990 dominance. Even middle of the pack NIL for BB is going to be a stretch. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 29, 2024 8:35:51 GMT -6
Another view of MAC expansion - Expand the conference while it is possible before some conference contraction happens. We don't know the long term effect of NIL on the weaker G5 conferences, so the MAC better expand now with the anticipation that not all schools will remain. If this is the case, then I feel they have started expansion way too late. That's a reasonable point, but I think history has demonstrated that the teams most likely to leave are the teams that don't actually fit and join randomly. Marshall, UCF, UMass in football before. I have a hard time seeing anyone else bouncing. If one school dominates both sports for a while, maybe they'd be a candidate for a better conference, but I don't see another conference wanting to raid the MAC in any serious way. All any of us could bring to the table is what I hate about this current expansion, bringing in a better team where the only upside for the existing team is another roadblock. |
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Post by cardfan on Feb 29, 2024 8:38:34 GMT -6
If only football supporters could figure out a way to force students to pay for NIL through fees, the way they have to cover the other $10 million plus of losses necessary for "D1" football. Then BSU would have a good yearly chance to reach the golden promised land of the Bud's Trash Hauling Bowl, or whatever bowl it is the top MAC teams aspire to. Hey, don't be dissing the Bud's Trash Hauling Bowl. The swag bags the players get from that one is unbelievable. |
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Post by villagepub on Feb 29, 2024 10:24:58 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 29, 2024 10:38:30 GMT -6
The article nails the problem about BB, and identifies the plus that they can be top dog in FB with bowl bids easier. At that price. |
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