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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2024 14:30:17 GMT -6
Sherm, I don't get it. Not obvious to me what you want. Yet you must be onto something, you are very certain about it.
Here's what I think, I'd like to see you face to face tell Mike Lewis he lacks aggressive mentality.
It would be a big help to him. Solve our problems.
If you have time after that give him some advice about his sideline demeanor.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 9, 2024 15:34:46 GMT -6
I don't know what Lewis's attitude towards portal is, but I say "aggressive" in contrast to the sorry, woe-is-me attitude that pervades your post on portal recruiting.
I hope Lewis emulates Todd Kowalcyk's pragmatic use of the portal and ignores your type of thinking as explained by you below:
"Ah yes, a 45 day period to recruit your own players as hangers on, family, friends, agents, opposing coaches and boosters dangling NIL, swarm over your players. During which time and after which you are in the nightmare of Spring recruiting which has always been chaotic and uncertain. And all this gambling produces a roster where you are almost certain not to have a key star player return, or be able to replace him. But then maybe if you do a good job, fit all the new pieces together, have some success, you will have more stars to lose and replace next year..."
I doubt Lewis is that sort of whiney bitch, and I imagine he will instead give the portal his best effort and the fate of the program will turn on his ability to sell himself to potential transfers.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 9, 2024 15:37:26 GMT -6
I think you can easily make the case that Lewis did as well as any MAC coach last year in recruiting the portal with regard to how those players contributed to building a "contending" roster.
Most reasonable people might consider that only teams ranked above 200 would be considered "legitimate" contenders. There are 4 of those: Akron, Toledo, Ohio and Kent.
In Anderson and Bailey, Lewis brought in players that contributed 28.4 points and 8.3 rebounds a game, along with 178 assists. (Obviously we'll never know what Brittain-Watts might have contributed).
Akron, considered the league's best team, had transfers (4) contributing 33 points and 11.1 rebounds a game, and 167 assists.
Toledo's portal yield last year was 1.4 points, 1.6 rebounds and 4 assists.
Ohio got 17.2 points, 5.9 rebounds and 79 assists.
Kent got 16.7 points and 6.1 rebounds.
Now those stats are from players that played significantly for their team so not all transfers might be included. Those numbers also don't' include previous transfers who were not new to their program this year. If we did that the numbers for Toledo, Ohio and Kent would be comparable to Akron, but we'd also have to go a back and somehow include stats for Sparks, Sellers and Coleman, who were part of Lewis' portal recruiting 2 years ago.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2024 15:40:17 GMT -6
Not gloomy or depressed, generally upbeat.
Lewis, Jihad and Anderson spoke about new roles this year.
Both players talked about what they learned, talent on the team, about competing every night. Mentioned how some painful losses at last minute had gotten through to them.
Lewis positive about team, how they were great to coach, came to play every day.
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Post by bsutrack on Mar 9, 2024 15:41:45 GMT -6
I often wonder if Lewis and/or members of his staff monitor this message board and what their opinions are or would be? Hopefully they have more important things to do (like recruiting), but you never know.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2024 16:09:20 GMT -6
I don't know what Lewis's attitude towards portal is, but I say "aggressive" in contrast to the sorry, woe-is-me attitude that pervades your post on portal recruiting. I hope Lewis emulates Todd Kowalcyk's pragmatic use of the portal...I imagine he will instead give the portal his best effort and the fate of the program will turn on his ability to sell himself to potential transfers. If you are happy with the portal and NIL in college basketball and see it as a great positive to the MAC or to college basketball, you disagree with most coaches.
Everybody agrees you have to be real about it and give it best effort. That it sucks in many ways and has created the woes I mentioned is also just being real.
Toledo has been a good program, but they haven't exactly had glorious MAC tourney success.
What's your point about the coach? f you think portal success is the key, it's not my impression their coach has built their team on transfers. Actually I think they have about the same number of freshmen we have this year. Maybe I am wrong? You surely aren't thinking of Tyler Cochren as a huge deal?
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 9, 2024 16:18:53 GMT -6
I think you can easily make the case that Lewis did as well as any MAC coach last year in recruiting the portal with regard to how those players contributed to building a "contending" roster. Most reasonable people might consider that only teams ranked above 200 would be considered "legitimate" contenders. There are 4 of those: Akron, Toledo, Ohio and Kent. In Anderson and Bailey, Lewis brought in players that contributed 28.4 points and 8.3 rebounds a game, along with 178 assists. (Obviously we'll never know what Brittain-Watts might have contributed). Akron, considered the league's best team, had transfers (4) contributing 33 points and 11.1 rebounds a game, and 167 assists. Toledo's portal yield last year was 1.4 points, 1.6 rebounds and 4 assists. Ohio got 17.2 points, 5.9 rebounds and 79 assists. Kent got 16.7 points and 6.1 rebounds. Now those stats are from players that played significantly for their team so not all transfers might be included. Those numbers also don't' include previous transfers who were not new to their program this year. If we did that the numbers for Toledo, Ohio and Kent would be comparable to Akron, but we'd also have to go a back and somehow include stats for Sparks, Sellers and Coleman, who were part of Lewis' portal recruiting 2 years ago. Your selectivity has left out portal players like OU's Jaylin Hunter and at least a couple of Toledo's starters and I don't know who all else, but includes BSU players who stepped into the scoring void of a bad, losing team with little to no competition for playing time and starting spots. How many minutes and how many shots would Anderson get on a contending roster playing in meaningful games? If Lewis's future portal recruiting classes are no better than last year's, it probably won't take until the last game of the season for BSU to be relegated out of the MAC tourney in years to come.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 9, 2024 16:24:07 GMT -6
If you are happy with the portal and NIL in college basketball and see it as a great positive to the MAC or to college basketball, you disagree with most coaches.
Please. Enough with the stupid strawman style.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 9, 2024 16:40:16 GMT -6
The salient facts are these
1) The roster is on a downward trajectory under Lewis, and it was not at all that great of a level to start with. 2) It has degraded to a point where we can't even MAKE the Mac tourney, let alone have success in it. 3) Recently successful MAC teams have demonstrated about a 60/40 or 70/30 ratio of portal to HS player comprise a typical contending line-up. 4) Lewis is likely to lose his one remaining above-MAC-average Whitford player to the portal. 5) Talent infusions from the portal happen much faster than from HS recruits
Conclusion: Lewis has to hit the portal like a m-----f----- this off season.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Mar 9, 2024 16:56:03 GMT -6
If you are happy with the portal and NIL in college basketball and see it as a great positive to the MAC or to college basketball, you disagree with most coaches.
Please. Enough with the stupid strawman style. Now that someone has called him on it, I’m sure it’ll stop.
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Post by chupacabra on Mar 9, 2024 17:01:27 GMT -6
Let’s not forget Ball U made the MAC tourney last year and lost by 20 in the first game.
So the players and coaching didn’t belong last year either.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2024 17:19:21 GMT -6
If you are happy with the portal and NIL in college basketball and see it as a great positive to the MAC or to college basketball, you disagree with most coaches.
Please. Enough with the stupid strawman style. Why complain when I point out the NIL portal circus? I wasn't saying anything else but that it's a crazy thing and coaches hate it.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2024 17:28:39 GMT -6
I think you can easily make the case that Lewis did as well as any MAC coach last year in recruiting the portal with regard to how those players contributed to building a "contending" roster. Most reasonable people might consider that only teams ranked above 200 would be considered "legitimate" contenders. There are 4 of those: Akron, Toledo, Ohio and Kent. In Anderson and Bailey, Lewis brought in players that contributed 28.4 points and 8.3 rebounds a game, along with 178 assists. (Obviously we'll never know what Brittain-Watts might have contributed). Akron, considered the league's best team, had transfers (4) contributing 33 points and 11.1 rebounds a game, and 167 assists. Toledo's portal yield last year was 1.4 points, 1.6 rebounds and 4 assists. Ohio got 17.2 points, 5.9 rebounds and 79 assists. Kent got 16.7 points and 6.1 rebounds. Now those stats are from players that played significantly for their team so not all transfers might be included. Those numbers also don't' include previous transfers who were not new to their program this year. If we did that the numbers for Toledo, Ohio and Kent would be comparable to Akron, but we'd also have to go a back and somehow include stats for Sparks, Sellers and Coleman, who were part of Lewis' portal recruiting 2 years ago. Your selectivity has left out portal players like OU's Jaylin Hunter and at least a couple of Toledo's starters and I don't know who all else, but includes BSU players who stepped into the scoring void of a bad, losing team with little to no competition for playing time and starting spots. How many minutes and how many shots would Anderson get on a contending roster playing in meaningful games? If Lewis's future portal recruiting classes are no better than last year's, it probably won't take until the last game of the season for BSU to be relegated out of the MAC tourney in years to come. . Toledo transfers had some time to fit in with a good coach. Our guys were forced into immediate key roles. Let's see how they do next year on a better team to answer your question. Anderson and Bailey should be just fine next year.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2024 17:32:23 GMT -6
Please. Enough with the stupid strawman style. Now that someone has called him on it, I’m sure it’ll stop. You think Sherman deserved a serious answer for dodging a legit question with his whining?
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 9, 2024 22:39:11 GMT -6
Your selectivity has left out portal players like OU's Jaylin Hunter and at least a couple of Toledo's starters and I don't know who all else, but includes BSU players who stepped into the scoring void of a bad, losing team with little to no competition for playing time and starting spots. How many minutes and how many shots would Anderson get on a contending roster playing in meaningful games? If Lewis's future portal recruiting classes are no better than last year's, it probably won't take until the last game of the season for BSU to be relegated out of the MAC tourney in years to come. Wrong. I clearly state that the numbers I posted for recruiting in the portal were for players recruited last year only. I also state that if you included the numbers for transfer players who had been in those programs more than 1 year (Ohio's Hunter, Toledo's Dante Maddox and Tyler Cochran, etc.), their numbers would be more comparable to Akron's. But then we'd have to go back and include the numbers for Lewis recruiting the kids out of the portal the previous year. I'm not going to defend Lewis' overall recruiting. I just don't think, as you seem to, that other MAC coaches are beating the shit out of him with their star-spangled portal recruits.
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