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Post by coastalcard on Apr 10, 2024 17:50:48 GMT -6
That's hilarious. Schools are just throwing darts at players they don't even know anything about, which means we are doing the same thing. They are mostly just looking at stats. You just beat me to the very same comment. It’s like trying to outbid someone on Ebay because you don’t want the next guy to get it. |
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 10, 2024 17:55:24 GMT -6
That's hilarious. Schools are just throwing darts at players they don't even know anything about, which means we are doing the same thing. They are mostly just looking at stats. Normally I'd say those would all be pretty lateral moves for Bailey, but who knows what NIL might be involved. |
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 10, 2024 19:28:36 GMT -6
Oh it is not going to end well for anyone but you cant dangle money in front of a kid and expect him not too take it .. Did not work fir Adam and Eve does not work now will not work in 500 years.. Ncaa removed the penalty blame tgem Players can keep the money. I just want them to take some responsibility, put some effort into making this work. NCAA tried to reinstate the penalty. Courts said no. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 10, 2024 19:44:05 GMT -6
Oh it is not going to end well for anyone but you cant dangle money in front of a kid and expect him not too take it .. Did not work fir Adam and Eve does not work now will not work in 500 years.. Ncaa removed the penalty blame tgem Players can keep the money. I just want them to take some responsibility, put some effort into making this work. NCAA tried to reinstate the penalty. Courts said no. Too late they needed to lawyer up and go hard from the begining.. Now they need to lawyer up and rewrite |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 11, 2024 0:33:03 GMT -6
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 11, 2024 6:23:48 GMT -6
John Calipari says at Arkansas, NIL will be ready for him, he doesn't have to "go out and do it anymore."
"The other thing to change is figuring out our roster, and you have to go in now and have NIL ready, which the school will do. I don’t have to go out and do it anymore. I had to at Kentucky."
Well I hope our coach is very busy going out and doing whatever it was Calipari had to go out and do at Kentucky. Because I doubt BSU is going to "have NIL ready" like Arkansas. It doesn't seem our AD is prepared to do anything other than politely answer questions by stating it's none of his business. Since NIL is still quite new and evolving, there is no conventional wisdom template to follow and so BSU has absolutely no idea what to do and is dead in the water until the more sharp and aggressive schools show the way.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 11, 2024 6:51:13 GMT -6
John Calipari says at Arkansas, NIL will be ready for him, he doesn't have to "go out and do it anymore."
"The other thing to change is figuring out our roster, and you have to go in now and have NIL ready, which the school will do. I don’t have to go out and do it anymore. I had to at Kentucky."
Well I hope our coach is very busy going out and doing whatever it was Calipari had to go out and do at Kentucky. Because I doubt BSU is going to "have NIL ready" like Arkansas. You do realize the two cases are not remotely similar. Calipari probably had to make two phone calls at Ky instead of one at Arkansas to get more money than we'll have for the whole roster for 4 years. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 11, 2024 7:26:24 GMT -6
Calipari seems to be saying he had to do more than make two phone calls. He seems to be mentioning it as a major pain in his ass at Kentucky as compared to Arkansas. Obviously the dollar amounts potentially available at KY are many times what is potentially available at BSU, but the basic situation is exactly the same: the head basketball coach is in, by far, the best position of anyone in the world to promote and make known the needs of the basketball program. Every program has its own potentials and possibilities in NIL creation and the coach needs to maximize them. Coaches HATE doing this, and I've heard others who are complaining about it. Sitting around stinky gyms all summer watching bad basketball and kissing 17-year-old's asses wasn't much fun either, but the winning coaches did a good job of it.
And you may or may not be aware that BSU does not need to compete with Kentucky in NIL creation in order to win a championship. Only the other MAC schools.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 11, 2024 8:11:03 GMT -6
OK Sherm, After reading your argument about how much NIL potential we have I just hope Lewis doesn't get overconfident.
I keep forgetting how the fact we once got a large gift for brick and mortar in another sport means we have great untapped NIL.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 11, 2024 8:33:47 GMT -6
Mike is going to have to make his own phone calls if he wants to have any kind of significant NIL program built. He's just not going to get much help from BSU. From what I've been gathering, BSU seems to be more of a roadblock than being empowering. (but somehow football finds ways to get around things. HOW is basketball not supported like football is at BSU?)
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 11, 2024 8:50:26 GMT -6
I think football at our level is much easier every player does not require NIL and when its reached a point where the player has earned NIL they have been able to deliver with a star player even saying we do "alright" So Neu must have some different Hogs than B ball to Butter up. We still lose most of our NFL type Talent
B Ball it seems as if your going to have to pay every player who is near a starter and the numbers are stagerring
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 11, 2024 9:26:55 GMT -6
If someone wants to make a case that Lewis is at some significant disadvantage to other MAC coaches in potential NIL, then let's hear it. But with BSU remaining in the top 3 in MAC basketball attendance, despite 25 years of kicking it's fanbase in the nuts, this would suggest to me that BSU has much better than average support. The huge amounts of money wheedled out of donors for abysmally stupid athletics projects in past years is another sign of potentially available money.
Another thing to keep in mind is that MAC-level basketball NIL is not a huge amount of money. It's not necessary to have JP Morgan Chase, or Amazon, or Elon Musk based in Muncie to finance a MAC championship competitive roster. I can't remember the exact figures anymore, but I think I calculated that the indoor football facility money could have financed a basketball starting line up for the next 50 years, or something like that. Just to keep things in perspective.
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Post by zonebuster on Apr 11, 2024 9:30:54 GMT -6
The link below is for University of Louisville's NIL Fund, 502 Circle: 502circle.com/You will note their Athletic Director Josh Heird has a video explaining the importance of NIL funds for the athletic program. BSU's AD could certainly be involved in a similar capacity. New basketball coach Pat Kelsey has put out several social media videos soliciting support for 502 Circle. This fund has several full time employees whose salaries are picked up by donations. |
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Post by reevo on Apr 11, 2024 10:03:49 GMT -6
If I am Lewis, I am calling Mr. Papa John’s and begging him for support. I realize there is a stigma with the guy, but he is still loaded and graduated from Ball State. I know this is a pipe dream, but the dude has the resources and might want to launder his money for the good.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 11, 2024 10:05:24 GMT -6
The link below is for University of Louisville's NIL Fund, 502 Circle: 502circle.com/You will note their Athletic Director Josh Heird has a video explaining the importance of NIL funds for the athletic program. BSU's AD could certainly be involved in a similar capacity. New basketball coach Pat Kelsey has put out several social media videos soliciting support for 502 Circle. This fund has several full time employees whose salaries are picked up by donations. Worth a try. Notice a difference, Louisville's collective is much more active and the AD announcement was to support a new initiative by the collective. If our collective was more active I have no doubt the AD would do the same thing. Their group has an actual staff, not a mostly informal group like ours. The coach and AD can't create or organize NIL. |
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