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Post by rmcalhoun on May 3, 2024 9:30:54 GMT -6
collectives can not or are not supposef to interfere with recruits So what these coaches are doing is 100% pure recruiting Not clear on this. Providing them money, or promising them money is interfering...isn't it? Or are you saying they are recruited and signed and THEN the collective contacts them? That would not be workable and is not my impression of what is happening. From how it was explained to me under the original set of written rules collectives are not to be involved with the active recruitment of any player... This is the on going Tennessee case
Tampering is running rampant across all sports what is happening now is everyone is just living in the moment not really caring about future repercussions that may or may not happen Ball State and the collective have stepped back and are playing the safe game only supporting an athlete after they have signed.. They use a term like "after signing NIL opportunity will exist"
As I stated before a private person can strike a deal at anytime
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 3, 2024 9:33:58 GMT -6
So Utah (or someone indirectly representing Utah) promising recruits new Ram Trucks is not interfering with recruiting? I dont know Utahs situation but those trucks were given to a signed class... There would be nothing illegal about saying last years signed team all received a free truck.. I dont know what this year signees will get wink wink |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 3, 2024 9:40:43 GMT -6
Our Nil collective is currently paying 22 signed kids I dont know who those are but its all signed kids and Im assuming the stars of all individual teams..The bulk coming from FB BB and Wbb
There may or may not be private signings or deals happening I truly don't know
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 3, 2024 9:51:25 GMT -6
I was told this yesterday its pretty funny or sad depending on your take.. I was told since launch there had been one donation that went through the website.. It was from me lol
Another thing we should feel lucky we can field a team at all.. The 4 heads of the collective are doing it all on their and from the sound of it will continue to do for the forseeablw future until some structered set of rules is in place
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Post by 00hmh on May 3, 2024 10:08:02 GMT -6
If there were a lot of people with a lot of money interested, things would be different.
The big schools start out with that, and when a collective is created they can either count on that and even go for profit, or at least have cash flow to find the right level of staffing.
It seems to start with money wanting to be spent. Assuming it's out there is a lot better assumption if you have a history of financial and business support.
At our level of support,when you have some modest amount of money, you spend it on players not on fund raisers?
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 3, 2024 10:16:56 GMT -6
Another thing everyone is trying to avoid is broad sweeping payments because this opens the door for title 9 to factor in
If that door opens and we have to pay everyone its over
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Post by williamtsherman on May 3, 2024 10:24:44 GMT -6
Not clear on this. Providing them money, or promising them money is interfering...isn't it? Or are you saying they are recruited and signed and THEN the collective contacts them? That would not be workable and is not my impression of what is happening. From how it was explained to me under the original set of written rules collectives are not to be involved with the active recruitment of any player... This is the on going Tennessee case
Tampering is running rampant across all sports what is happening now is everyone is just living in the moment not really caring about future repercussions that may or may not happen Ball State and the collective have stepped back and are playing the safe game only supporting an athlete after they have signed.. They use a term like "after signing NIL opportunity will exist"
As I stated before a private person can strike a deal at anytime
I appreciate your efforts on this, and I really know nothing about what it happening, but it is not credible that players choose among schools without knowing and having some assurance of the amounts offered by the various schools. And giving an assurance of an offer certainly IS active involvement in recruiting. This is especially true of the highest level players where the money in question is 6 or 7 figures. Nobody with that potential income is going to be satisfied with "after signing NIL opportunity will exist". Not in college basketball or in any walk of life. In all the talk about NIL and recruiting, people just assume that offers are being tendered and kids choose among them. And this assumption is really the only reasonable one. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 3, 2024 10:35:01 GMT -6
Another thing everyone is trying to avoid is broad sweeping payments because this opens the door for title 9 to factor in If that door opens and we have to pay everyone its over I know Title IX case law. You do have to tread carefully. The key is whether this is an educational benefit, where the male athlete benefits from more proportionally from the University entity. Separate out the business aspects of trademark having value and it does not have to apply across the board. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 3, 2024 12:03:19 GMT -6
From how it was explained to me under the original set of written rules collectives are not to be involved with the active recruitment of any player... This is the on going Tennessee case
Tampering is running rampant across all sports what is happening now is everyone is just living in the moment not really caring about future repercussions that may or may not happen Ball State and the collective have stepped back and are playing the safe game only supporting an athlete after they have signed.. They use a term like "after signing NIL opportunity will exist"
As I stated before a private person can strike a deal at anytime
I appreciate your efforts on this, and I really know nothing about what it happening, but it is not credible that players choose among schools without knowing and having some assurance of the amounts offered by the various schools. And giving an assurance of an offer certainly IS active involvement in recruiting. This is especially true of the highest level players where the money in question is 6 or 7 figures. Nobody with that potential income is going to be satisfied with "after signing NIL opportunity will exist". Not in college basketball or in any walk of life. In all the talk about NIL and recruiting, people just assume that offers are being tendered and kids choose among them. And this assumption is really the only reasonable one. I dont think anyone believes that numbers are not discussed they have to be it might be they are just not discussed by the nil and player themselves. Im just going by whats written down and what I was told. We all know none of these rules are really being followed by 95% of the schools right now. Plus Im certain no one is going to tell me or any other joe blow anything other than we are following all the rules.
The bottom line is of all of this is we are supporting players, we are competitive inside the Mac, what and how we are doing it is sustainable for now. We are not as far behind MAC wise as we thought and once we have clearly structured rules we will begin more actively promoting |
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Post by williamtsherman on May 3, 2024 13:15:08 GMT -6
I think you are right about the bottom line. It would be great if everyone at BSU was singing from the same sheet of music and aggressively promoting NIL - Coach, AD and NIL people. But it seems like we can currently have hopes to be competitive next season with the arrangement that's currently in place, although we would need to still boost the backcourt between now and then.
Did anyone you talked to mention anything about NIL funds possibly still to spend, or any potential additional signings?
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Post by 00hmh on May 3, 2024 13:31:53 GMT -6
We're going to be slightly behind 3-5 MAC programs.
The deficit which may as much or more is overall athletic budget.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 3, 2024 13:37:07 GMT -6
We're going to be slightly behind 3-5 MAC programs. And that statement is based on.......? |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 3, 2024 14:55:28 GMT -6
There was no talk abour individual players at all.. Yes there is money available for all sports. There was no talk of limits or anount per team. I mentioned assuming we would be behind a couple teams and was told as far as total money we are closer to the top portion. At no point did the tone seem dire or did I feel like the fund was in trouble. If anything I took walked away with the feeling that when it needed more it was going ti be there
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Post by steve on May 3, 2024 16:41:18 GMT -6
Any idea how we stack up on NIL with other Indiana college mid majors?
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Post by lmills72 on May 4, 2024 8:50:30 GMT -6
Any idea how our the collective's NIL deals are structured?
Are they paid lump sums? Are there signing bonuses? Are they backloaded to the end of the season or academic year? Any multi-year deals where a player (or his next school) might have to pay little extra to get them out of their deal early? Anything other than cash? Cars, etc?
Anyone actually have a deal that involves what I thought NIL might have been, which was lending their personality to some local advertising campaign, etc?
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