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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 27, 2024 14:04:18 GMT -6
But how important is this to schools that are currently losing >$10milion a year for MAC football? These are not schools that make decisions according to sound financial principles. Delusions of grandeur are their primary decision drivers. To predict Toledo and Northern's future decisions you have to think like they do. If they perceive a move to the MWC as a move up the FBS food chain, who knows what additional financial burden they might choose to put on their students. The students have access to subsidized loans you know. It's irrelevant long before football is even added into the mix, as the home school is responsible for TV production of games, which means that $800k merely offsets production expenses (so I was told by an athletics staffer a few years ago). I would say Steinbrecher sold the MAC down the river with that deal, but what kind of market value does the MAC even have these days? By the time they pay announcers, staff, and equipment maintenance costs, it could come close to 800K. According to a friend of mine (who is close to the ESPN program), most of the MAC went the cheapest way possible, which is why their ESPN shows look like a couple of monkeys trying to hump a football. Kind of understandable, since they don't have Media departments like BSU does. But low-end equipment (especially cheap lenses) looks terrible on TV. Thankfully BSU went with the higher end equipment that you see on ESPN and ESPN2, true professional tech. That stuff isn't cheap, and the maintenance isn't either. But it gives students (especially the ones in SportsLink) experience on stuff they'll see when they graduate and get a job in broadcast, so it's (arguably) worth it. |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 27, 2024 14:54:55 GMT -6
Very good analysis. No joke how much better our media people are. That means efficiency along with higher standards all around.
The TCOM professionals at BSU made the ESPN money go farther. The money makes the educational component better, but a professional operation is long run going to be less expensive. Maintenance and staff considering that is not as much more expensive as you might expect than the cheaper approach done by less professional programs.
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Post by david75bsu on Sept 27, 2024 17:49:59 GMT -6
Hmmm. Could be this make the MAC amenable to membership that did not require FB? To retain NIU and Toledo who could still be there for BB and other sports. MAC can lose a few FB members and still have 8 members all sports. Or. Maybe pick up a few FCS schools with FBS ambition as full members. Which would allow BSU and/or a few others to move down and out in FB. Granted they'd lose quality in FB, but when you're the weakest G5, so what? All sports or none! |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 27, 2024 20:10:59 GMT -6
For now...
I want to see which schools can afford this.
I'm skeptical the share of the FBS tourney TV money which dribbles down to the weakest conference will fund the escalating costs to remain FBS status.
If eventually it's all sports and including FCS or some successor version of 2nd tier FB that might work.
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Post by CardsFB1 on Sept 28, 2024 4:57:07 GMT -6
that would be silly. I do think putting all G5 schools together in a playoff format to the CFB playoff spot - maybe a 4 or 8 team format of G5 champs
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 28, 2024 7:24:57 GMT -6
that would be silly. I do think putting all G5 schools together in a playoff format to the CFB playoff spot - maybe a 4 or 8 team format of G5 champs What's silly is losing a lot of money to be the weakest conference in FBS. Do you see a way we'd ever be an automatic qualifier? No. So you propose G5 schools who can would somehow support a playoff just to give a MAC school a chance to MAYBE in a good year be a G5 playoff entrant. Which would extend their season 2 or 3 games before the 12 team 3 extra games playoff starts. G5 would have to start practice July 4...and we'd still be pretenders. Meanwhile the P4 gets richer and richer with 90% of the playoff money going to 4 conferences. The other conferences have some slight incentive to exist to try to be P5, and as candidate teams to move up the ladder to a better conference which has a chance. Maybe Toledo, UMass, NIU are examples in the MAC who have remote chances. Do you see any as real power conference members? Say as well funded as IU? Then they could be a weak team in a P5 setting. What a dream to lose more millions for every year! |
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Post by villagepub on Oct 1, 2024 14:30:37 GMT -6
NIU & Toledo would be crazy to do it. The only gain is a trip to Vegas every other year. They would not even increase the viewers in any time zone. Remember when NIU moved to the Big West Conference back in the '90s. Yeah, that was a good move. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 2, 2024 8:31:40 GMT -6
Mountain west added utep, from reports never actually talked with or asked Toledo or NIU to join.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 2, 2024 9:17:45 GMT -6
Mountain west added utep, from reports never actually talked with or asked Toledo or NIU to join. MWC and PAC12 still need another school each. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 2, 2024 10:21:18 GMT -6
Gonzaga to the PAC12, but no football. Still need one more member to remain a full conference. Hawaii?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 2, 2024 11:20:26 GMT -6
Gonzaga to the PAC12, but no football. Still need one more member to remain a full conference. Hawaii? Hawaii is mt west football only |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 2, 2024 12:10:34 GMT -6
Gonzaga to the PAC12, but no football. Still need one more member to remain a full conference. Hawaii? Hawaii is mt west football only They COULD join for all sports. Can't imagine the travel costs would be increased in the PAC12. |
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Post by coastalcard on Oct 2, 2024 12:54:20 GMT -6
This may seem ludicrous based upon our near-sighted observations of how the MAC is run, but the conference has a decent national name recognition.
With the current atmosphere, if the MAC would waive the manditory FBS football thing, the conference might be able to bring in some strong midwestern schools and have a pretty attractive conference for basketball, baseball, etc.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 2, 2024 13:06:06 GMT -6
This may seem ludicrous based upon our near-sighted observations of how the MAC is run, but the conference has a decent national name recognition. With the current atmosphere, if the MAC would waive the manditory FBS football thing, the conference might be able to bring in some strong midwestern schools and have a pretty attractive conference for basketball, baseball, etc. In the department of unlikely solutions.
Bring in some FCS wannabe schools requiring them to play all sports, keep the FBS for those that want it, let existing member schools opt out of FB. Sort of an MVC hybrid.
We can be FB only in some FCS level conference.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 2, 2024 13:07:08 GMT -6
With the current atmosphere, if the MAC would waive the manditory FBS football thing, the conference might be able to bring in some strong midwestern schools and have a pretty attractive conference for basketball, baseball, etc. Ask the Big East how that turned out. The current BE schools prioritized basketball, while the now-AAC schools prioritized football. You can't serve 2 masters. |
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