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Post by realitycheck on Sept 25, 2018 13:38:04 GMT -6
So, the ESPN Bottom Ten has W. Kentucky in the on-deck circle and half of all #MACTION. What the hell does that make us? Bottom Ten
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Post by cardfan on Sept 25, 2018 13:53:21 GMT -6
Makes us not good.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 25, 2018 14:04:18 GMT -6
about where we expected
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Post by IU_ND_BSU_FAN on Sept 25, 2018 15:35:04 GMT -6
That's not what you were all saying when we almost beat Notre Dame! I believe someone said it could change things for the next decade! ROTFL!!
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Post by realitycheck on Sept 25, 2018 18:08:18 GMT -6
That's not what you were all saying when we almost beat Notre Dame! I believe someone said it could change things for the next decade! ROTFL!! Get lost creep.
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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 25, 2018 18:50:49 GMT -6
Embarrassing in year 3. Year 1, I can give a pass for being on such a dubious list. Year 2-depends on circumstances. Year 3- no way Jose
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 25, 2018 19:20:50 GMT -6
Who doesn't want more? But, this is not all that unexpected or surprising.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Sept 25, 2018 19:34:29 GMT -6
The MAC needs to just drop to FCS and get it over with.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 25, 2018 19:43:26 GMT -6
The MAC needs to just drop to FCS and get it over with. Something has to give.Some time.
The question is whether BSU and the MAC would continue to fund the program(s) at a level to be better than middle of the pack at that lower level (tempting for each of the financially strapped schools to lower the budget, wouldn't it be?), and whether the "benefits" of FBS classification justify investment at higher than the current level to where the MAC would be anything but the lowest tier of FBS.
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Post by redfeather on Sept 25, 2018 19:53:22 GMT -6
That's not what you were all saying when we almost beat Notre Dame! I believe someone said it could change things for the next decade! ROTFL!! Well at least you "I loser's" beat Michigan State!! Way to go!!! Yeah!!! Wait, what,...oh never mind. Well there's always next year you Power House of a program!!
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Sept 25, 2018 21:19:17 GMT -6
The MAC needs to just drop to FCS and get it over with. Something has to give.Some time.
The question is whether BSU and the MAC would continue to fund the program(s) at a level to be better than middle of the pack at that lower level (tempting for each of the financially strapped schools to lower the budget, wouldn't it be?), and whether the "benefits" of FBS classification justify investment at higher than the current level to where the MAC would be anything but the lowest tier of FBS. There is no benefit to being FBS. None. No MAC school is ever going to win a national championship or even be anywhere close.
I've thought about what 2008 would have been like if we were FCS. Let's pretend for just a moment that season didn't go off the rails, and we won the MAC to improve to 13-0. What would have been more fun? Winning a bowl game to finish 14-0, or winning four playoff games to finish 17-0? December home playoff games with that team would have been epic.
I agree that at some point, something has to give. Recently we've seen some of our MAC brethren dropping non-revenue sports, likely the result of dumping so much money into their FBS football programs. Buffalo dropped baseball, EMU dropped softball and a few others...I've wondered when we'll start seeing that here.
I have yet to see a compelling argument about why being a mid-major near the bottom of FBS is more beneficial than being a top-flight team in FCS. Probably because it's a millenial-driven mindset that bowl games are worth investing tons of money you don't have into a program that isn't worth it. (Yes, I know those decisions aren't made by millenials. But just listen to any football player on a team that won 6 games talk about how excited he is to be going to the PiƱata Bowl in a few weeks, and you'll know what I mean)
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 25, 2018 21:48:51 GMT -6
Yes, but my point is first that we would not very likely have the 2008 team if we were at a lower level. Players do choose the MAC now over good lower division programs.
And, second the MAC is going to very reluctantly change. And if they did it would largely be because of budget, not that it is a bottom feeder on the field.
More likely the P5 just abandon FBS and leaves the MAC and others in limbo, with the NCAA then creating new classification and the whole sport changing. Or. At some point we decide we have to make cuts, get kicked out of the MAC have to hope we find a place, maybe leave for MVC basketball and that leads us to transition in FB.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 26, 2018 7:16:13 GMT -6
The NCAA threw the P5 schools a bone with the redshirt rule change, in an effort to stave off the P5 breaking away from the NCAA entirely.
At some point, the P5 is going to determine they're better off without the NCAA than with it. They could easily form their own association, leaving the Go5 to scramble for leftovers.
With TV money from Fox and ESPN (and with Disney acquiring the Fox Regionals), it'll happen at some point. If you don't think so, you may not realize just how much money is involved.
In 2015, each B1G school made $21 million just from TV rights fees. And this year BTN was upping the subscriber fee, so it'll be even more.
Do you know how much MAC schools get for TV rights? About $600K per year. We are not just not on the same page, we're not even in the same library. It is hopeless to think that we have any kind of shot at a national title in FBS. Even if we went undefeated, we MIGHT get a NYD Bowl game, but not a shot at the CFP, until we went undefeated for multiple seasons. Of course, that's assuming we could keep our coach, which wouldn't happen because WE'RE NOT MAKING $21 MILLION A YEAR.
Look, I love BSU and BSU Football. I love seeing us play well against ND, and hate seeing us lay a turd against I Ewwww. Is it worth charging student fees to prop up a program that will never, ever win a title in the current format? Probably not. But until the format changes, that's what we've got. Love it or don't. When the paradigm shifts, we'll see how it all shakes out.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 26, 2018 8:15:44 GMT -6
Yes.
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Post by redbirdman on Sept 26, 2018 9:23:55 GMT -6
I would think it is painfully obvious P5 plus ND & BYU are at a higher level. So does the MAC continue trying to play at that level? I think it is not just us but the entire league. I have no idea if NIU & WMU playing in New Year's Bowls think it is or not. I do feel that for the past 10 yrs NIU's program has been equal to or better than Purdue, IU & Illinois programs & WMU's probably their for past 5. Toledo might be able to make that claim as well. The big surprise to me this season is Buffalo. I definitely think Buffalo if they had a chance to move into the American Athletic Conference would likely jump as I don't think they feel any MAC schools are real rivals. I feel Buffalo is the least likely of all members to feel any connection to the rest of the league. I also feel that if MAC is not in Bowl classification they would leave league they want to be in top classification.
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