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Post by reevo on Oct 21, 2018 13:47:24 GMT -6
I love college football but the cost associated with Division 1 football which includes the attendance policy gives us virtually no chance to doing anything on a national level. Butler plays d1aa in the pioneer league and the MVC is a possibility as well as playing basketball only in the MVC.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 21, 2018 13:54:18 GMT -6
The Mvc would have to want us though.
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Post by david75bsu on Oct 21, 2018 14:25:34 GMT -6
We definitely are in agreement on this, but it won't happen until we've wasted many millions more and it is forced on us. If you guys are gonna bitch about this, at least do a little research before you type. So, are you guys calling for BSU to move out of the MAC, become either a DII (Grand Valley, Indianapolis) or DIII (Wabash, DePauw) level program? Is that it? Or, do you mean leave the MAC and the DI-FBS and go to DI-FCS ( Illinois State, Indiana State)? D1-FCS or what used to be 1-AA
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Post by cardrock on Oct 21, 2018 14:35:03 GMT -6
If you reallocate football budget to improvements in coaching, etc it could very well lead to improved basketball results over several years as it becomes sustainable. BB easier to contend than football I would suggest How long would you be able to keep those coaches, that staff together? You could say it’s easier then with a few good years established to hire another winner, can you guarantee it though? I think it’s not as easy as it’s sounding, lower expectations for one program to bolster the chances of another because you only need 10 guys verses a sideline full. & boy, does all this talk sound so drastic
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 21, 2018 14:41:02 GMT -6
No need too really discuss us dropping down. It will never happen but we will be forced out by the ncaa eventually.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 21, 2018 14:47:22 GMT -6
Yeah because this is the first time Neu’s team has played this way since he’s been here .... dear lord wake up and open your eyes. And where were you earlier this year when people WERE talking nfl and Riley? Did you miss the notre Dame game? How many wins do we have in Neu’s tenure? We’ve actually gotten worse after his first year when he had mostly Lembo players. I never expected that. On top of the poor play we’re seeing poor on field behavior. You think that shows we’re going on the right direction? What game we gonna win the rest of this year? Tell us and explain why and how. I don’t know anyone who was talking NFL for Neal. If there was, it was a minority opinion. You have any names who said this? Just because some had unrealistic expectations for Neal doesn’t mean he should be benched for not meeting those inflated expectations. My eyes are open. We played terrible yesterday. Undiscipled and unacceptable. That does raise some coaching concerns and questions. I just don’t think it elevates to the level of calling for Neu’s job. I know that we are better this year than we were last year. Not great, but better. We probably won’t win another game this season. Disappointing? Yes! Surprising? No. Temper expectations. Ive never thought riley was an nfl guy. There are draft guys,opposing coaches,in game announcers etc who have all said he is. I cant remember anyone on here who thinks that because we all have seen what Riley really is. As far as tempering expectations how low can we go most of us only thought we would win 3-5 games. We wanted improvement, we thought we might be improved but as soon as we play decent team all the same warts grew back
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 21, 2018 14:49:53 GMT -6
My eyes are open. We played terrible yesterday. Undiscipled and unacceptable. That does raise some coaching concerns and questions. I just don’t think it elevates to the level of calling for Neu’s job. I know that we are better this year than we were last year. Not great, but better. We probably won’t win another game this season. Disappointing? Yes! Surprising? No. Temper expectations. Ask yourself why we're better this year. I don't think we're better because our team has suddenly been "coached up." Do we execute better? Are we more disciplined, more mature? I think we're better just because we aren't playing with second-, third- and fourth-stringers at quite so many positions. That's why I asked if anyone had a complete accounting of our injuries last year, because despite the couple of injuries we have on the OL this year, it seems we've been relatively healthy compared to what I remember from last year. Yeah, Milas and Plitt weren't good last year but look what they were playing with. By some accounts Paddock is seen as the next QB. It made sense give him a redshirt year. But now you can play him without burning that redshirt. There's no way Neu is going anywhere this year. I understand that, and I'm sure he knows that, too. But, if I'm Neu and it's been relatively close between Neal and Paddock, and I think Paddock is the future, I'm giving him a shot now. If nothing else, it tells me how desperately I need to go after another QB in my recruiting because if Paddock isn't up to snuff, then we're really screwed, and so is Neu.
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Post by bsutony on Oct 21, 2018 14:57:35 GMT -6
Didn't we get a good QB commitment out of the Indy area?
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 21, 2018 15:15:06 GMT -6
Yes, we did and do have him ... for now. But if that changes as things commonly do, I'd want to know what I have on the team right now.
Also, there are many messages that could be sent when making a QB change. One such message to a future QB recruit could be, "You're not going to sit on the bench just because there's an incumbent in front of you. If you're the best, you play." Of course, there are also negative ways to see that, but I guess it's all on how the recruiter spins it.
BTW, for those wondering who was ever touting Neal as an NFL QB, the following quote from a QB recruiting thread comes from one of our regular posters.
"Pathway to the pro’s is proven for those talented enough.
I would say Neal’s performance so far in his career has him right on track!"
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Post by universityjim on Oct 21, 2018 15:55:08 GMT -6
Lose a game and play terrible. Predictable fan reactions. Fire the coach! Put in the back up QB! We suck! It happens with every fan base. I hate to break it to everyone, but we will not be hiring Bill Belichick and Tom Brady is not sitting on our bench. Change is not always better. Change if it will make us better, not to satisfy fans’ desire for change. What your saying is true but Id argue that most who have watched this team are not reacting to just yesterday. Yesterday was the straw Yesterday was the straw. BSU won't fire our coaching staff without a donor to buy out their contracts. We'll see what happens. We'll probably have to watch this for another year.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 21, 2018 15:56:53 GMT -6
My eyes are open. We played terrible yesterday. Undiscipled and unacceptable. That does raise some coaching concerns and questions. I just don’t think it elevates to the level of calling for Neu’s job. I know that we are better this year than we were last year. Not great, but better. We probably won’t win another game this season. Disappointing? Yes! Surprising? No. Temper expectations. As far as tempering expectations how low can we go most of us only thought we would win 3-5 games. We wanted improvement, we thought we might be improved but as soon as we play decent team all the same warts grew back We did play well against our best opponent.
The issue is that we should be generally showing some improvement game to game. Factoring in injury and allowing a game or two where we regress, which was always going to be the case, we are not now showing that.
There are 4 games. I'd say we have to play better than this in all 4 games, and play fairly well in 2 of 4 (which would give us chances to win) for us to say we've come close to what we'd want. I still don't greatly care whether we win or not in these games, but I sure don't want us to play as poorly as we did here.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 21, 2018 15:58:47 GMT -6
ncluded in this week’s edition of The College Column: An NFL scout reveals three sleeper QBs he’s keeping an eye on for the 2019 draft: West Virginia’s Will Grier, Ohio State’s Dwayne Haskins, and Ball State’s Riley Neal
am’s Hot Takes @cam_takes Sep 29 More Top 20 QB in 2019 NFL draft : 1. Brian lewerke 2. Will Grier 3. Justin Herbert 4. Dwayne Haskins 5. Ryan Finley 6. Jared stidham 7. Daniel jones 8. Drew lock 9. McKenzie Milton 10. Shea Patterson 11. Jake Bentley 12. Clayton Thorson 13. Riley Neal .... to be continued
2019 NFL Draft prospects to watch for tonight (1/4): McKenzie Milton QB UCF Dredrick Snelson WR UCF Antoine Winfield Jr. DB Minnesota Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota Rodney Smith RB Minnesota Riley Neal QB Ball State Paddy Fisher LB Northwestern Clayton Thorson QB Northwestern (Q)
My perfect 2019 NFL Draft QB:
Drew Lock’s arm Jarrett Stidham’s accuracy Will Grier’s touch Riley Neal’s decision making Brian Lewerke’s improvisation Tyree Jackson’s mobility
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Post by Hoopsmith on Oct 21, 2018 16:05:54 GMT -6
Maybe we should just get rid of all our athletic programs and focus on academics. Haha, don’t give them any ideas. Rutgers of the Midwest here we come!
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 21, 2018 16:06:16 GMT -6
These are just a few examples.. like I said its not us on the board saying it. We have seen him actually play.. Most of these guys just watch highlites and if you do that you see a prototype that can make the throws. Problem is he does not do it often enough on the field that why a lot of us have said if he can put it all together. So far through three years he has not put it all together and after three years you wonder if he ever can. Remember when Riley had the phantom injury and Milas got a start. Riley could have played that game Neu was seeing what he had in the end Riley was still the better choice.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Oct 21, 2018 16:08:37 GMT -6
I love college football but the cost associated with Division 1 football which includes the attendance policy gives us virtually no chance to doing anything on a national level. Butler plays d1aa in the pioneer league and the MVC is a possibility as well as playing basketball only in the MVC. This thread has numerous lives in the basketball forum, but the MVC ship probably sailed when Wichita State left and they snapped up Valpo. Yes, it's a good basketball league, but most schools are in a different time zone and the travel budget for non-revenue sports would be worse than it is now.
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