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Post by 00hmh on Feb 16, 2019 21:14:22 GMT -6
Lol, noted. I will stop by for some entertainment from time to time. The basketball guys may feel the same way about visiting the football forum. I wonder how many actually go to the games? FB fans more likely to go to BB I think, more comfortable seating, not so far to go for the weenies, and now the beer.
But it's not a fair comparison. The whole deal of sitting outside in November for a game makes football fans more hardy and definitely made of stronger stuff.
Lately a good thing, to endure the ass kicking that our FB team has suffered.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 16, 2019 21:23:51 GMT -6
there are hybrids or maybe we are mutants. A rare breed who can take the punishment of both seasons
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Post by cardfan on Feb 16, 2019 21:29:47 GMT -6
there are hybrids or maybe we are mutants. A rare breed who can take the punishment of both seasons Mostly we’re just a sick bunch.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 16, 2019 21:40:23 GMT -6
Lol, noted. I will stop by for some entertainment from time to time. The basketball guys may feel the same way about visiting the football forum. I wonder how many actually go to the games? FB fans more likely to go to BB I think, more comfortable seating, not so far to go for the weenies, and now the beer.
But it's not a fair comparison. The whole deal of sitting outside in November for a game makes football fans more hardy and definitely made of stronger stuff.
Lately a good thing, to endure the ass kicking that our FB team has suffered. Not even close we might have one or two blow ups a year on the football side. Someone loses their mind everyday on the basketball side.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 16, 2019 22:02:58 GMT -6
The basketball guys may feel the same way about visiting the football forum. I wonder how many actually go to the games? FB fans more likely to go to BB I think, more comfortable seating, not so far to go for the weenies, and now the beer.
But it's not a fair comparison. The whole deal of sitting outside in November for a game makes football fans more hardy and definitely made of stronger stuff.
Lately a good thing, to endure the ass kicking that our FB team has suffered. Not even close we might have one or two blow ups a year on the football side. Someone loses their mind everyday on the basketball side.
Perhaps the forum is more unified in its thought and more civil in disagreement, I'd agree there.
On the other hand, you have fewer games to build up the frustration, and had an undeniably good year only 10 years ago. Well until postseason. FB is not immune to the BSU curse after all. Still, BB fans have an argument they have suffered more I think.
I was agreeing you are less prone to lose your cool. It's just what I was saying, they're tough from sitting outside and suffering in cold weather, rain, ice, and so on. So, despite that challenge, less frustration. It is remarkable.
To prove how tough and strong, need I point out that although the scores sometimes resemble a basketball score, when FB gets their ass kicked it is 52- 3 or something like that, and Whitford has only occasionally lost a game by that margin, for example. So to endure that it takes really high character, and moral fiber.
BB fans whine and cry at close losses, even close wins. Nothing like the more admirable temperament of FB fans.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 16, 2019 22:29:18 GMT -6
All your saying is accurate enough but I would add while the crazy football fans wants success we realize that being good in the MAC is all we can ever accomplish. There are no dreams of being nationally relevant. We might flirt with short term relevancy again but its not expected..
Turn the card over to the Basketball side and there is rather large and vocal group who believe that we can be nationally relevant over a period of years. They/we might even believe we should be.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 17, 2019 10:05:12 GMT -6
The way I would put it is there is no reason we shouldn’t be able to MUCH better than we are in basketball like we used to be (if the administration is willing to get on board). We can be a player in a higher level if we choose to be.
Football, not so much. I think most of us would be happy if we could just compete in the MAC, go to a bowl game most years (it only takes 6-7 wins) with the occasional championship. Like we used to do. We just aren’t going to be a national player in football other than once in an extremely blue moon.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 17, 2019 10:07:04 GMT -6
Not even close we might have one or two blow ups a year on the football side. Someone loses their mind everyday on the basketball side.
Perhaps the forum is more unified in its thought and more civil in disagreement, I'd agree there.
On the other hand, you have fewer games to build up the frustration, and had an undeniably good year only 10 years ago. Well until postseason. FB is not immune to the BSU curse after all. Still, BB fans have an argument they have suffered more I think.
I was agreeing you are less prone to lose your cool. It's just what I was saying, they're tough from sitting outside and suffering in cold weather, rain, ice, and so on. So, despite that challenge, less frustration. It is remarkable.
To prove how tough and strong, need I point out that although the scores sometimes resemble a basketball score, when FB gets their ass kicked it is 52- 3 or something like that, and Whitford has only occasionally lost a game by that margin, for example. So to endure that it takes really high character, and moral fiber.
BB fans whine and cry at close losses, even close wins. Nothing like the more admirable temperament of FB fans.
I don’t know, maybe not everyone is willing to follow Whitford down the path of mediocrity. Some are.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 17, 2019 10:27:43 GMT -6
At what point do you consider us not rebuilding? How long is “slow?” How long should we or any fanbase wait for results? 20 years long enough? What’s rational and what’s not? You mean what counts as a rebuild. And surely we were talking about the current coach. The program was not a disaster 20 years ago. It had been regularly at the top of the MAC.
It declined over time after that. During mismanagement with numerous mistakes, from it's peak.
Had we invested in an upgrade with any coach since 2000 instead of each time going with a budget coach, then, we might not be talking rebuild
We blew it. Then we hired on the cheap again, again and again with no upgrade.
The program is greatly improved at this point over when Whitford arrived. There is still upside in his continuing. I think he has done about what we could expect, if not everything we would want. So, answer your own question.
I have no confidence we do much better unless we upgrade significantly. A new hire will be better off than Whit was when he came. Should come in and not suffer through as much OJT. But. Long term a lot better? Could be, I don't think that is a big favorite.
If you truly believe this is about what we could expect or everything we want then I’m glad you don’t speak for me or many others. Throughout your apologist arguments over the past six seasons you’ve always conveniently tried to rewrite the situation Whitford inherited as comparable to what Taylor took over. They aren’t even close. After Taylor took over the Thompson dumpster fire he went 6-24 and 5-11 in MAC year one. From there he went 14-17, 15-15, 19-13, 15-15 and 15-15 in his last season. He had clearly peaked but he didn’t leave the cupboard completely bare like Thompson. The roster Whitford inherited included Majok, Kam, Bond, Berry, Calhoun, Koch and Davis plus he added freshmen Franko House and Zavier Turner who was freshman of the year. That squad had a lot of talent and went 5-25 and 0-16 in the league. This job wasn’t a complete rebuild that should take a decade.
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 17, 2019 12:12:31 GMT -6
Stats don’t always tell the truth. There is no way the MAC is better now compared to 88-2000. No way. The conference has jumped over the Missouri Valley and other Mid Majors due to the better teams jumping ship for high major conferences. The Missouri Valley has been killed by this and you can add Butler to the mix. Quite frankly, there are a lot of bad basketball teams out there right now but to say the MAC is better today is simply not true. Other then Buffalo, I have not been impressed. We probably have the second best roster in the conference but we are no where near any of our better teams of the 90’s. We used to recruit kids who were ranked in the top 100 nationally every year from 88-2001 and you just can’t say that anymore. We rarely had any kids that were above 300 and now, our average recruit will be in the high 300’s with our better players being in the upper 200’s. Huge disparity and it blows my mind how much some on here have forgotten. Buffalo is good but I can name 6 teams from the top of my head from the past that were better. We have 3 Ball State teams, 2 Kent State teams, 2 Eastern Michigan teams and an Ohio team with Mr. Trent that were better than Buffalo today. Hell, we were runner up to Eastern twice with Bonzi and I believe Bonzi and company would beat Buffalo. My opinion, but the MAC has regressed! Reevo speaks the absolute truth. I watch these pathetic teams play pathetic games week in and week out, and my eyes and common sense tell me the MAC is in no way, shape, or form even remotely close to being better than it was 15+ years ago.
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 17, 2019 12:17:25 GMT -6
I don’t always agree with oohmh, but man some of you guys are hostile. Chill out. Because he's an absolute fool who is either so full of himself or so insecure that he has to ramble on an on with meaningless posts that are not grounded in reality. It gets really old.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 18, 2019 10:19:05 GMT -6
The basketball guys may feel the same way about visiting the football forum. I wonder how many actually go to the games? FB fans more likely to go to BB I think, more comfortable seating, not so far to go for the weenies, and now the beer.
But it's not a fair comparison. The whole deal of sitting outside in November for a game makes football fans more hardy and definitely made of stronger stuff.
Lately a good thing, to endure the ass kicking that our FB team has suffered. BSUTony* - this is what I mean. 00 chalks up refusal to buy the mediocrity he's selling to basketball fans not being as tough as football fans because basketball fans don't sit outside. It's somehow admirable toughness to just accept mediocrity in 00's worldview. The reason the basketball board rejects his bullshit is because the basketball fans are soft and whiney. Not because he's just plain wrong. Read that day-in and day-out for what feels like an eternity and see if you don't get hostile too.
*I'm quoting calhoun here because I only see 00's posts when he's quoted.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 18, 2019 10:38:34 GMT -6
It always reminds me of Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut:
“A pissant is somebody who thinks he’s so damn smart, he can never keep his mouth shut. No matter what anybody says, he’s got to argue with it. You say you like something, and, by God, he’ll tell you why you’re wrong to like it. A pissant does his best to make you feel like a boob all the time. No matter what you say, he knows better.”
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 18, 2019 11:15:48 GMT -6
BSUTony* - this is what I mean. 00 chalks up refusal to buy the mediocrity he's selling to basketball fans not being as tough as football fans because basketball fans don't sit outside. It's somehow admirable toughness to just accept mediocrity in 00's worldview.
I don't have a Vonnegut quote about it but that is a hell of lot of mind reading. tony is an innocent bystander who mentions he was just stopping by for amusement at our antics here.
The discussion was about why the FB forum doesn't blow up more often. I suggested without any deep intent that they were generally more virtuous due to the harsh conditions they endure.
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Post by thebsukid on Feb 18, 2019 12:03:31 GMT -6
I'm starting to enjoy the board and even get a few laughs out of the hostility. But, for peats sake, its a board...
I'm disappointed this year so far but we have had more than our fair share of injuries and we were playing pretty well before they occurred...not an excuse but a fact.
If we don't make a deep run in the tournament I'm nearly ready to jump ship but now I don't want to cause I smell a bet with Sweep AKA Halftime.....I have murdered him on the last few predictions...so careful...he says we won't win 12 next year....I'll say 18 conservatively....closest to the pin wins....I'll bet whatever he wishes.
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