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Post by thebsukid on Feb 27, 2019 13:48:37 GMT -6
Possibly....
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 27, 2019 13:54:58 GMT -6
The other end of the spectrum is how many people do you think are sitting around not caring if we lose out so the pressure to make a move is greater? Im sure its not a lot but I would Imagine there are some
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Post by sweep on Feb 27, 2019 13:55:58 GMT -6
I'm still hoping for a late season run into the MAC....one can always hope. What difference would it make ?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 27, 2019 13:57:40 GMT -6
I dont know tournaments can get wacky.. We could get hot and make a deep a run. Then everyone has decide if it was a fluke or if this is what it should have been all along
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Post by cardfan on Feb 27, 2019 14:00:44 GMT -6
I dont know tournaments can get wacky.. We could get hot and make a deep a run. Then everyone has decide if it was a fluke or if this is what it should have been all along If this was the first year a whit team crashed and burned you could call it a fluke, but....
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Post by cardfan on Feb 27, 2019 14:06:01 GMT -6
How is it possible for Trey to play 26 minutes and only shoot 3 times. Moses, in the past, has been a shot blocker; this year not so much. I wonder how much his legs hurt. Also Teague with 8 shots and three of those were threes. Do any of the websites show points in the paint? I'd love to see what last night's was. A couple games ago whit told us Trey was jumping well and was feeling good so who knows. The bigger problem is Moses and Teague have been cut out of the offense for awhile now. Bad choice or ignorance on the part of whit not to find ways for those two guys to be heavily involved in the scoring. I’m not sure Teague is real happy about, thus jacking up bad 3’s again. He was dominating earlier in the season. He had 20 pts and 12 boards vs UT first time around.
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Post by lfbj00 on Feb 27, 2019 15:44:05 GMT -6
How is it possible for Trey to play 26 minutes and only shoot 3 times. Moses, in the past, has been a shot blocker; this year not so much. I wonder how much his legs hurt. Also Teague with 8 shots and three of those were threes. Do any of the websites show points in the paint? I'd love to see what last night's was. As Cardfan pointed out above, and as I have said in previous posts about the need for a “dominate” center, why would you come to BSU to play this style as a big man? Of the players who have played most all of the games, Trey is leading the team in MAC play with a 52.8 field goal percentage. Take out the absolutely ridiculousness of Taj shooting 3’s, and he’s at 53% also. With the exception of K.J. at 45%, nobody else is over 41%. Trey is primary used as glorified pick machine on the high post to either get a “shooter” free, or to make some sort of point guard assist. Or he’s used as a body shield to pull away the opposing teams center away from the basket and relies on others to hit the glass. Taj has proven for 4 years now that he wants absolutely no part of play under the glass. He wants to be a 5’9” guard in a 6’9” body, and play perimeter ball, and he’s allowed to just that when he wants. And to the Block Shots thing, he has 33 on the season, which is right on par for what he’s had the last 2 seasons. As a matter of fact, he’s moved into 2nd place all time on BSU Block Shots list with 132.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 27, 2019 16:31:57 GMT -6
How is it possible for Trey to play 26 minutes and only shoot 3 times. Moses, in the past, has been a shot blocker; this year not so much. I wonder how much his legs hurt. Also Teague with 8 shots and three of those were threes. Do any of the websites show points in the paint? I'd love to see what last night's was. A couple games ago whit told us Trey was jumping well and was feeling good so who knows. The bigger problem is Moses and Teague have been cut out of the offense for awhile now. Bad choice or ignorance on the part of whit not to find ways for those two guys to be heavily involved in the scoring. I’m not sure Teague is real happy about, thus jacking up bad 3’s again. He was dominating earlier in the season. He had 20 pts and 12 boards vs UT first time around. The outside shooting and the inside game are closely related. Because we have not been able to hit outside, other teams have been able to drop back to prevent entry passes and to smother them with a double team. And we gave them too many turnovers forcing it inside.
We were able to hit outside better against Toledo which was great, but still turned the ball over with loose play.
More important, we could not shut them down. Had very few big stops when we needed them.
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Post by bsu1 on Feb 28, 2019 5:22:44 GMT -6
How is it possible for Trey to play 26 minutes and only shoot 3 times. Moses, in the past, has been a shot blocker; this year not so much. I wonder how much his legs hurt. Also Teague with 8 shots and three of those were threes. Do any of the websites show points in the paint? I'd love to see what last night's was. As Cardfan pointed out above, and as I have said in previous posts about the need for a “dominate” center, why would you come to BSU. An interesting thought: could a decent coach have developed Moses into a domanating center? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 28, 2019 8:30:02 GMT -6
As Cardfan pointed out above, and as I have said in previous posts about the need for a “dominate” center, why would you come to BSU. An interesting thought: could a decent coach have developed Moses into a domanating center? Inquiring minds want to know. No
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Post by cardfan on Feb 28, 2019 8:51:01 GMT -6
Domination is mindset you have to possess.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 28, 2019 9:16:04 GMT -6
As Cardfan pointed out above, and as I have said in previous posts about the need for a “dominate” center, why would you come to BSU. An interesting thought: could a decent coach have developed Moses into a domanating center? Inquiring minds want to know. Probably not, but I will say this for Trey. There haven't been too many kids in recent memory who have done more to transform their body and work hard at their craft than him. If you follow his back story at all, he was a pudgy kid who didn't project as very athletic and few would have pegged as a D-1 player and if so, another "rescue dog" like we've typically recruited. Instead, Trey literally lost 40-50 pounds between his senior year in high school and a freshman year at Ball State and made himself relevant. At times, he has been dominant which has made all of us long to see that consistently. But, truth be told there's a very big, soft heart under his 6-9 frame, which is not a bad thing. He's had a very nice career at Ball State and will graduate as a top 4 all-time rebounder, second all-time in blocks, top 25 in scoring and will be the all-time leader in games played in BSU history. Not bad for a nice guy.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 28, 2019 9:26:19 GMT -6
Well said, RC. Basketball aside, Trey is a tremendous person who has done and will continue to do great things in this world. And yes, he’s had a nice career.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 28, 2019 9:28:15 GMT -6
Moses is probably Whitford's biggest success story. Moses was NOT heavily recruited or highly rated in HS. At the time, I was not fully aware of Whitford's low energy recruiting style, but in retrospect I believe that the lack of intense recruiting competition was a big attraction for Whitford. And I was suspicious at the time that we were getting a Huggins type player.
But I blame Whitford's recruiting failures on Whitford, so it's only fair to credit his successes to him also. Possibly Whitford saw something in Moses that others didn't. And Moses did transform his body pretty significantly since HS, when he was very doughy and immature looking. If all Whitford's recruiting had worked out this well, we would be in much better shape than we are. I might also add that, given Whitford's low energy recruiting style, he pretty much HAS to out-scout, out-develop, and out-smart all the harder working coaches to be successful. Problem is that he doesn't consistently do this.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 28, 2019 9:57:07 GMT -6
Moses is probably Whitford's biggest success story. Moses was NOT heavily recruited or highly rated in HS. At the time, I was not fully aware of Whitford's low energy recruiting style, but in retrospect I believe that the lack of intense recruiting competition was a big attraction for Whitford. And I was suspicious at the time that we were getting a Huggins type player.
But I blame Whitford's recruiting failures on Whitford, so it's only fair to credit his successes to him also. Possibly Whitford saw something in Moses that others didn't. And Moses did transform his body pretty significantly since HS, when he was very doughy and immature looking. If all Whitford's recruiting had worked out this well, we would be in much better shape than we are. I might also add that, given Whitford's low energy recruiting style, he pretty much HAS to out-scout, out-develop, and out-smart all the harder working coaches to be successful. Problem is that he doesn't consistently do this. So you're on the record as not in favor of another extension at this time...unless we make him the highest paid coach in the MAC?
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