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Post by realitycheck on Apr 24, 2020 11:13:25 GMT -6
Do they ask about playing in the post season? Every school tells them they will, but no MAC school can really sell it very hard as a one bid conference, except that with the balance at the top the right player would make any one of 4 or 5 teams a good bet..
For the real difference maker recruit he will get a MAC school to the dance. Add Palombizio to our teams the last 5 years or so where he'd fit well, and we'd have had awfully good chances. Especially this year, but last year or the year before we'd have been up there with Buffalo, year before that, I think we'd beat Akron.
This is such a ridiculous premise. If you put Palombizio on ANY team in the league they would likely win the conference. What is your point?
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Post by sag on Apr 24, 2020 11:27:41 GMT -6
Yes, and I also don't see it as these guys "falling into his lap." Most of these guys, Hazen, KJ, Wyndham, etc. they have spent time and effort recruiting, How much time and effort and how do you know? I read articles about Hazen and Wyndham saying that they already had a relationship. Hazen's family reached back out to Whitford and he paid his own way to come here that first year. Another article was from the recruiting period and had a picture of Mallers and Hazen at a practice before he committed to Arkansas. And originally, Hazen was choosing between Ball State and Central Florida. You could say that's falling into his lap, I suppose, but not without admitting to the initial time and effort spent in developing the relationship.
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Post by sag on Apr 24, 2020 11:28:15 GMT -6
Do they ask about playing in the post season? Maybe.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 24, 2020 11:31:23 GMT -6
Yes, and I also don't see it as these guys "falling into his lap." Most of these guys, Hazen, KJ, Wyndham, etc. they have spent time and effort recruiting, How much time and effort and how do you know? C'mon. If they recruited these guys before in the past they did expend time and effort then. Windham referred to that, knowing people from previous recruiting. Jones referred to it. That work makes them more open to give us a look when we see them now.
Ask the question the other way. Some body says these guys "fall into our lap" and the idea is readily accepted. Why?
How does one sign a recruit in a competitive environment with little effort? Every time, no work at all? That is more puzzling to me.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 24, 2020 11:36:21 GMT -6
Every school tells them they will, but no MAC school can really sell it very hard as a one bid conference, except that with the balance at the top the right player would make any one of 4 or 5 teams a good bet..
For the real difference maker recruit he will get a MAC school to the dance. Add Palombizio to our teams the last 5 years or so where he'd fit well, and we'd have had awfully good chances. Especially this year, but last year or the year before we'd have been up there with Buffalo, year before that, I think we'd beat Akron. If you put Palombizio on ANY team in the league they would likely win the conference. What is your point? There was a question about wanting to compete in postseason. These guys want to but the school has an easy answer to that with any real difference maker. For a recruit who isn't a high impact player, no MAC team has that much advantage, and can promise they will take him to the dance. We're a one bid conference. Anybody promising post season play is blowing smoke.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 24, 2020 11:42:25 GMT -6
How much time and effort and how do you know? C'mon. If they recruited these guys before in the past they did expend time and effort then. Windham referred to that, knowing people from previous recruiting. Jones referred to it. That work makes them more open to give us a look when we see them now.
Ask the question the other way. Some body says these guys "fall into our lap" and the idea is readily accepted. Why?
How does one sign a recruit in a competitive environment with little effort? Every time, no work at all? That is more puzzling to me.
Windham is a good example. Back when lots of schools were involved and a hard, long-term effort by the coach was needed, the attempt to sign Windham failed. When the process was compressed into about two weeks with no travel, and holding a huge geographic advantage, the attempt to sign Windham succeeded.
It's not hard to understand unless you want to obfuscate things....which you do.
By the way, were you going to provide examples of us saying the STAFF was lazy, as you claimed?
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Post by sag on Apr 24, 2020 12:17:16 GMT -6
C'mon. If they recruited these guys before in the past they did expend time and effort then. Windham referred to that, knowing people from previous recruiting. Jones referred to it. That work makes them more open to give us a look when we see them now.
Ask the question the other way. Some body says these guys "fall into our lap" and the idea is readily accepted. Why?
How does one sign a recruit in a competitive environment with little effort? Every time, no work at all? That is more puzzling to me.
Windham is a good example. Back when lots of schools were involved and a hard, long-term effort by the coach was needed, the attempt to sign Windham failed. When the process was compressed into about two weeks with no travel, and holding a huge geographic advantage, the attempt to sign Windham succeeded. Okay, failed is harsh, but technically not untrue (even if it is to a 7th ranked team in a dynamic conference). However, the second part of your argument could also be true if we take the kid's word that he had a good relationship with the coach, liked the campus when he visited, and liked the teammates, which doesn't mean the kid fell into Ball State's lap. It could mean that Ball State was a team he highly considered and when his pt didn't pan out, he went back to an option that he felt comfortable with. Many transfers haven't signed yet.
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Post by sag on Apr 24, 2020 12:37:54 GMT -6
Yes, and I also don't see it as these guys "falling into his lap." Most of these guys, Hazen, KJ, Wyndham, etc. they have spent time and effort recruiting, How much time and effort and how do you know? I'll ask you then, how much time and effort and how do you know?
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 24, 2020 12:38:29 GMT -6
Oh, I'm sure Whitford "has a good relationship" with a lot of HS players. He's a nice enough guy. But closing the deal? Well...
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Post by sag on Apr 24, 2020 12:52:43 GMT -6
I don't really have arguments against those who think he should be fired based on numbers and tournament results. That's their opinion with their criteria. I just like the players we have, want to like the players we get, and hope that they land a big. I do feel many of the arguments are speculative and unfair, but whatever-it's an anonymous fan board.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 24, 2020 14:30:27 GMT -6
C'mon. If they recruited these guys before in the past they did expend time and effort then. Windham referred to that, knowing people from previous recruiting. Jones referred to it. That work makes them more open to give us a look when we see them now.
Windham is a good example. Back when lots of schools were involved and a hard, long-term effort by the coach was needed, the attempt to sign Windham failed. When the process was compressed into about two weeks with no travel, and holding a huge geographic advantage, the attempt to sign Windham succeeded. Sounds to me like you just gave an example of claiming the staff dropped the ball and was lazy. I don't get the part where you assume because we didn't sign him that we did not make a hard long term effort. How do you know that? Do you assume BSU always wins any battle where they work hard? Why is that?
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Post by bsu1 on Apr 24, 2020 15:00:20 GMT -6
I certainly can't fault Windham, Jones, Hazen, or KJ testing the water in a higher conference. We are probably not going to get these types of player out of high school. It's not a Whit fail. He had ties to them that were strong they came back after not making it. I can't believe I'm defending Whit.
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Post by thebsukid on Apr 24, 2020 18:10:16 GMT -6
bsu1...you said it because its correct...
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 24, 2020 18:35:39 GMT -6
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Post by CallingBS on Apr 29, 2020 20:58:41 GMT -6
Oh, I'm sure Whitford "has a good relationship" with a lot of HS players. He's a nice enough guy. But closing the deal? Well...
Dang, nothing like a little Glengary Glen Ross reference! Just don't watch when the wife and the children are in the house.
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