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Post by 00hmh on May 17, 2016 12:11:47 GMT -6
Honestly, the first thought I had when I read the announcement was that the discussion with Sandy turned to Whit having trouble getting recruit signatures (we talked about it on here) because of the lack of contact commitment. Might not be how it went down but if you don't think that topic came up, you're probably fooling yourself a little bit. More like Sandy realize this would be true next year, than Whit talking about this year. It could be, but losing really good recruits this year earlier, it was more about the player not seeing us with a winning program and having options to go to better programs. Based on what we know about the kids we missed late they went to bigger conferences and wanted a bigger stage. I don't worry so much about that. It's a fact of life with mid majors and is hard to fight until they are proven winners.
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Post by cardfan on May 17, 2016 12:12:08 GMT -6
As a resident "apologist", this feels a little premature. I thought they would wait one more season. However, I can't speak as to the affects it was having on recruiting. I suppose that it would be something a potential recruit would look at. I don't think the average recruit thinks to ask how many years a coach has left on his contract. It sounds more like a negative recruiting tactic used by opposing recruiters. The negative recruiting tactic would be far more plausible than recruits worrying about it. Opposing coaches will use ANYTHING. It's a head scratcher with 2 years left. I fully expected it after next year, assuming continued improvement.
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Post by 00hmh on May 17, 2016 12:19:29 GMT -6
As a resident "apologist", this feels a little premature. I thought they would wait one more season. However, I can't speak as to the affects it was having on recruiting. I suppose that it would be something a potential recruit would look at. I don't think the average recruit thinks to ask how many years a coach has left on his contract. It sounds more like a negative recruiting tactic used by opposing recruiters. Perceptive. The negative recruiting gets more important the better the recruit who thinks they are entitled to a perfect future! Very sensitive to negatives. Losing something or the possibility of it is more powerful to most than the same probability of gaining just as much.
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Post by 00hmh on May 17, 2016 12:22:19 GMT -6
The negative recruiting tactic would be far more plausible than recruits worrying about it. Opposing coaches will use ANYTHING. It's a head scratcher with 2 years left. I fully expected it after next year, assuming continued improvement. That is a plausible expectation. I would have understood the AD going that way, but I think he really liked what Whitford was doing and how he did it. And at the end he saw it the way mills lays out the problem with delay, and I think he's right on the logic.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 12:25:24 GMT -6
I had the opinion all along that Whitford would someday blame this years recruiting class on the lack of a contract extension. That is opinion is a little silly. Whitford has not at any point blamed anything for anything. Strikes me he took a tough job on, hasn't hesitated to say where the going has been tough, and is realistic about whether he or any coach always makes optimum decisions, would probably do a few things differently. Besides that what is silly is I doubt any recruit would expect an extension before now. I thought it was a possibility it would happen if he had a good year, probably would not happen. If we want the best chance for a good class next year, it has some logic to it, and of course it has pluses and minuses. Just because he hasn't stated it publicly doesn't mean he didn't use it as leverage to gain this extension. There is no other explanation for this decision.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 13:25:03 GMT -6
Honestly, the first thought I had when I read the announcement was that the discussion with Sandy turned to Whit having trouble getting recruit signatures (we talked about it on here) because of the lack of contact commitment. Might not be how it went down but if you don't think that topic came up, you're probably fooling yourself a little bit. More like Sandy realize this would be true next year, than Whit talking about this year. It could be, but losing really good recruits this year earlier, it was more about the player not seeing us with a winning program and having options to go to better programs. Based on what we know about the kids we missed late they went to bigger conferences and wanted a bigger stage. I don't worry so much about that. It's a fact of life with mid majors and is hard to fight until they are proven winners. ok. you're right. Whitford didn't care and it didn't impact recruiting. Sandy got up yesterday and it popped up on his smart phone as a "to do".
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Post by cardsfan606 on May 17, 2016 13:30:08 GMT -6
Yes because rewarding poor performance is the very definition of maturity and wisdom. and throwing a fit when you don't get what you want isn't?
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Post by cardsfan606 on May 17, 2016 13:40:12 GMT -6
This isn't a program started from scratch. Yes I expected a far better conference record I did expect better. Not all that much better in conference though. Didn't expect quite as much trouble. Realistically, I thought we'd win more games the first two years, about what we did by this year. Getting to this season's record this year is about right. Overall would have predicted a swing of maybe at most 7-10 conference games, a few more the first year, and maybe 7 or 8 wins the second year, right up to until we lost so many players, with recruits leaving, injury, academics. Probably optimistically we expected to be closer to 500 overall by now, but I was not terribly surprised about the first year, this is a new head coach, had some learning to do. That's what you get when you hire a coach with no experience as head coach. I certainly did NOT expect much better recruiting before the first year, and overall thought his first real class was good. I also expected more help from JUCO ranks to come in after we lost Taylor recruits to help and that didn't happen. once matts back went to shit his senior year nobody should've expected much. He solely carried the load the for our bigs that season, until bo came on late, and when he went out that hurt us bad. Call me what you want but because of that our conference record whits second year doesn't mean much to me.
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Post by majokmajok606 on May 17, 2016 13:40:55 GMT -6
I did expect better. Not all that much better in conference though. Didn't expect quite as much trouble. Realistically, I thought we'd win more games the first two years, about what we did by this year. Getting to this season's record this year is about right. Overall would have predicted a swing of maybe at most 7-10 conference games, a few more the first year, and maybe 7 or 8 wins the second year, right up to until we lost so many players, with recruits leaving, injury, academics. Probably optimistically we expected to be closer to 500 overall by now, but I was not terribly surprised about the first year, this is a new head coach, had some learning to do. That's what you get when you hire a coach with no experience as head coach. I certainly did NOT expect much better recruiting before the first year, and overall thought his first real class was good. I also expected more help from JUCO ranks to come in after we lost Taylor recruits to help and that didn't happen. once matts back went to shit his senior year nobody should've expected much. He solely carried the load the for our bigs that season, until bo came on late, and when he went out that hurt us bad. Call me what you want but because of that our conference record whits second year doesn't mean much to me.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on May 17, 2016 13:45:54 GMT -6
Thanks for the dumbest post of all time. How does not rewarding mediocre to poor performance make someone a "disabler". ; ) I'm jealous. I was told I had the dumbest post of all time by him!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 13:57:55 GMT -6
Yes because rewarding poor performance is the very definition of maturity and wisdom. and throwing a fit when you don't get what you want isn't? No one threw a fit.
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Post by 00hmh on May 17, 2016 13:58:11 GMT -6
So many have suffered that crushing disappointment of not meeting his approval.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 14:00:11 GMT -6
I'm jealous. I was told I had the dumbest post of all time by him! Yes there have been multiple revisions ............
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Post by reevo on May 17, 2016 14:01:00 GMT -6
I had the opinion all along that Whitford would someday blame this years recruiting class on the lack of a contract extension. That is opinion is a little silly. Whitford has not at any point blamed anything for anything. Strikes me he took a tough job on, hasn't hesitated to say where the going has been tough, and is realistic about whether he or any coach always makes optimum decisions, would probably do a few things differently. Besides that what is silly is I doubt any recruit would expect an extension before now. I thought it was a possibility it would happen if he had a good year, probably would not happen. If we want the best chance for a good class next year, it has some logic to it, and of course it has pluses and minuses. He has not said it publicly but I guarantee you he brought it up with Sandy. We win 25 games this year and go to the MAC championship, extend him. This makes no sense to extend him at this time. How many scholarships do we have left and how many scholarship players do we have at this moment? Anyone want to wager that we sign a body in the next couple weeks that cant play just to fill a roster spot? Bizarre is all I can say!
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Post by realitycheck on May 17, 2016 14:12:58 GMT -6
A couple of thoughts:
1.) I think this was premature 2.) The extension was too long 3.) Our record this year was inflated by a weak schedule 4.) Our h.s recruits have been good and our Juco's/transfers have not 5.) Frontline recruiting has been below average 6.) We lack a playmaking guard after four years of recruiting 7.) We have finished the season with a thud the first three years of the Whit era
I hope but doubt that there is some parachute in the agreement that doesn't guarantee the final two years in case the train runs off the track. That said, I sincerely hope we are tremendously successful. I want BSU to not just win consistently, but dominate and attract the kind of talent that will bring us multiple championships. So far, I have not seen that kind of talent or coaching to warrant that level of optimism. But he's our coach and this is my team so I have no choice but to support them...until tomorrow of course.
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