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Post by reevo on Jan 2, 2018 20:54:40 GMT -6
I don't agree that their soft and just because you say its so doesn't make it so....we were playing Thompson pretty well even when he was in the game...hell, your wonder boy fouled out..we have been much better than you thought but I have not heard you out and out say it...along with a few others I might add. Maybe to your point they are neither bruisers but they play well defensively rebound and score... And, how about some kudos to your favorite coach Whit for adjustments at half We have not finished the season yet. We have one impressive win and got smoked by 2 good teams and beaten by a similar mid major team. I rather wait until the end of the year to make a full analysis. We have beaten the teams we should beat and our schedule after Notre Dame has not been good. Eastern is talented and Thompson will get an opportunity to play for pay in a better league than Moses after he graduates. Thompson is better. Surely you see that? I am thrilled we are winning but let’s not over play this thing yet. There are a ton of MAC games to play and a tournament to play in. The record does not mean as much to me as how we finish in the tournament. Let’s Celebrate a win but keep in mind there is lots of tough games coming up. We are better but I am not doing flips after our first home MAC win. And I am correct, Moses is soft. You believe what you want. That is why we call this a message Board so we can debate.
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Jan 2, 2018 20:55:50 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 2, 2018 20:55:50 GMT -6
I don't agree that their soft and just because you say its so doesn't make it so....we were playing Thompson pretty well even when he was in the game...hell, your wonder boy fouled out..we have been much better than you thought but I have not heard you out and out say it...along with a few others I might add. Maybe to your point they are neither bruisers but they play well defensively rebound and score... And, how about some kudos to your favorite coach Whit for adjustments at half Kid, "soft" sounds bad, but think of it as descriptive, not pejorative, more. They are tough kids in a lot of ways, but neither takes the ball really hard to the basket, neither catches the ball and holds on to it as well when hacked at and pushed around, neither really finishes against strong physical players contesting their shot as well as we'd want them to. Some of it is just physical strength. Trey improved strength, but still just isn't quick to get hands up to shoot or dunk the ball as he catches it, he looks like slow motion some times. Opponents are getting too many hands on the ball when he has it. It's fast twitch missing. Taj is still not as strong and he is like a lot of long lean guys, he needs to get the ball a long way from where he catches it to where he releases it. Both can improve anticipation on plays around the basket where they should be asking for the ball or going up to catch it closer to where they can do more with it, and just be more ready to quickly get rid of it. Trey is not going to get a lot quicker but can play quicker. Taj will get there I think, and can get stronger over the next two years. That's why I think he can be really good, well, and also just become a better shooter outside. He looked better than he is showing us this summer and worked hard on shooting from spots where he should get the ball, but it hasn't clicked in many games.
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Post by reevo on Jan 2, 2018 21:08:39 GMT -6
I don't agree that their soft and just because you say its so doesn't make it so....we were playing Thompson pretty well even when he was in the game...hell, your wonder boy fouled out..we have been much better than you thought but I have not heard you out and out say it...along with a few others I might add. Maybe to your point they are neither bruisers but they play well defensively rebound and score... And, how about some kudos to your favorite coach Whit for adjustments at half Kid, "soft" sounds bad, but think of it as descriptive, not pejorative, more. They are tough kids in a lot of ways, but neither takes the ball really hard to the basket, neither catches the ball and holds on to it as well when hacked at and pushed around, neither really finishes against strong physical players contesting their shot as well as we'd want them to. Some of it is just physical strength. Trey improved strength, but still just isn't quick to get hands up to shoot or dunk the ball as he catches it, he looks like slow motion some times. Opponents are getting too many hands on the ball when he has it. It's fast twitch missing. Taj is still not as strong and he is like a lot of long lean guys, he needs to get the ball a long way from where he catches it to where he releases it. Both can improve anticipation on plays around the basket where they should be asking for the ball or going up to catch it closer to where they can do more with it, and just be more ready to quickly get rid of it. Trey is not going to get a lot quicker but can play quicker. Taj will get there I think, and can get stronger over the next two years. That's why I think he can be really good, well, and also just become a better shooter outside. He looked better than he is showing us this summer and worked hard on shooting from spots where he should get the ball, but it hasn't clicked in many games. “Soft” is descriptive of his play. He does not play strong, play through contact, post up by slamming his ass into the thighs of his opponents. It is his demeanor. Persons is someone who plays tough, strong and sometimes goes out of his way looking for contact. We need more guys who play stronger around the rim. Not an attack on Trey but is is who he is. A perfect example was around the 8 minute mark left in the game and he caught the ball on the baseline and could of dropped and dunked but instead tried to flip the ball with his right hand 3 feet from the rim and Thompson game over and blocked the shot. All he had to do was attack the rim and he could have had a 3 point opportunity. You noticed his attacked the rim late once Thompson left the game. Trey does not like contact. You can see it in his game. Great passer and has a good feel for the back cut but he is not a true post up tough guy. We need one to separate us from the other MAC teams like Buffalo.
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Jan 2, 2018 21:10:31 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 2, 2018 21:10:31 GMT -6
I don't agree that their soft and just because you say its so doesn't make it so....we were playing Thompson pretty well even when he was in the game...hell, your wonder boy fouled out..we have been much better than you thought but I have not heard you out and out say it...along with a few others I might add. Maybe to your point they are neither bruisers but they play well defensively rebound and score... And, how about some kudos to your favorite coach Whit for adjustments at half We have not finished the season yet. We have one impressive win and got smoked by 2 good teams and beaten by a similar mid major team. I rather wait until the end of the year to make a full analysis. We have beaten the teams we should beat and our schedule after Notre Dame has not been good. Eastern is talented and Thompson will get an opportunity to play for pay in a better league than Moses after he graduates. Thompson is better. Surely you see that? I am thrilled we are winning but let’s not over play this thing yet. There are a ton of MAC games to play and a tournament to play in. The record does not mean as much to me as how we finish in the tournament. Let’s Celebrate a win but keep in mind there is lots of tough games coming up. We are better but I am not doing flips after our first home MAC win. And I am correct, Moses is soft. You believe what you want. That is why we call this a message Board so we can debate. I agree Thompson a better athlete, and generally better individual player, although Trey has some strengths he lacks, and I am not completely sure I'd trade for him. As for the season, what counts is how much we improve and whether we can play those perfect games we will need to play. I don't think anybody can say we would win even if we played well, but we did not at all play well at Okla and Oregon. The early games against Dayton and Buck were tough games played reasonably well on our part, but we were not really at full strength, and not prepared to play the way we are now, so I am much more at ease with losing those games. We are better now, especially on defense, and actually I can we improve most on offense the rest of the way. We just aren't shooting that well. And. We have to avoid the bonehead plays that make coaches get old quick. We need to get the freshmen, especially Gunn, up to speed for some depth, and we need to know better what a good shot is. Second half we did better today. First half we hurried and missed, some decent shots, but mostly we could have made another pass and tried to get it inside the zone after we had succeeded in drawing them out. We really did better at that second half. Still missed shots, but were getting the defense moving out of their defensive area of responsibility and using that space. cardfan is right to point to the assists and you got it completely right on the better play inside the zone second half. A good half, probably not the best we played yet, that was probably ND, second half. But very good.
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Jan 2, 2018 21:21:30 GMT -6
Post by redfeather on Jan 2, 2018 21:21:30 GMT -6
Good win tonight period. We could have folded after that sucky first half or could have came out flat and never got our mojo going and lost but that didn't happen. Some teams don't always look good at times but find a way to win anyway, something that has been discussed at length here on this board in the past, and this team seems to be able to find ways to win now and I'm thrilled to see that in this team! They are no longer one dimensional and this will, and has, won them some games. Something that will be needed as the conference play goes forward.
Now the one thing that simply drove me batty tonight was why do we let teams roll the ball up to half court?!?! I swear the game would have ended two minutes earlier, which I would think we would want, if we simply forced them to dribble the ball up the entire court. Eastern lengthen the game to their advantage by doing this. It's nuts!!
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 2, 2018 21:23:38 GMT -6
i will agree that Moses is not a bruiser or banger but in my view that doesn't make you soft its a different style but we can disagree thats fine. On the other hand, Teague isn't afraid to mix it up with anyone..
Noter Dame having beat some pretty good teams to date is a top 30 team in my view but you can disagree.
Here's the point we are winning...9 in a row thats a fact, and we played very light at Oklahoma and Oregon without Moses at full strength, and without Tyler who may be our best on ball defender. Not saying we would have won but likely been more competitive
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Jan 2, 2018 21:31:27 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 2, 2018 21:31:27 GMT -6
ND has lost a good player for 6-8 weeks, may drop out of top 80 as a result.
Beating them was a good win. May not look as good later. I don't care about that! Wish them the best, of course.
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Jan 2, 2018 21:50:27 GMT -6
Post by Hoopsmith on Jan 2, 2018 21:50:27 GMT -6
Thompson never disappoints Godett and Eha foretold it the whole game. Couldn't see by the replay that he said much, but you develop a reputation for that kind of stuff. Kind of like the year Bonzi talked us out of a few games with mouthy T's.
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Jan 2, 2018 21:54:18 GMT -6
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Post by reevo on Jan 2, 2018 21:54:18 GMT -6
ND has lost a good player for 6-8 weeks, may drop out of top 80 as a result. Beating them was a good win. May not look as good later. I don't care about that! Wish them the best, of course. Let us not forget Valpo has played without therir best player for over a month now. Might help them later if he comes back from mono.
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Jan 2, 2018 22:12:35 GMT -6
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Post by bsutrack on Jan 2, 2018 22:12:35 GMT -6
ND has lost a good player for 6-8 weeks, may drop out of top 80 as a result. Beating them was a good win. May not look as good later. I don't care about that! Wish them the best, of course. Let us not forget Valpo has played without therir best player for over a month now. Might help them later if he comes back from mono. You mean Tevonn Walker? He's been back for the last two games; scored 19 in Valpo's lost to Indiana State and 11 in their lost to Missouri State. He may not be back to full speed, but was their leading scorer against Indiana State.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 2, 2018 22:24:31 GMT -6
I will be the first to admit I was flat out wrong about Mallers. He really has been the surprise of the season. Have to agree with the softness of Trey if he were not as soft he could be a great instead of a good player. I said it last year though he is just not an explosive player and his DNA does not allow for a meanstreak. These are things you cant learn your just either born with it or your not. After saying all that we are much better team with him than we would be without him. He is also regularly getting double/doubles which I will take any day.
Teague is just weird not sure how else to explain it. He is just very aloof at times and needs to spend more time on the weights. If he can put the flases he shows together he could be great. Im just not sure he will ever be able too.
At what point do we start to discuss that maybe we are just not as good of a shooting team as most of us thought we were? The flip side to that is we have shown we can some other things which again is a surprise to me.
All in all though we are winning and thats all that counts. Lets see what Buffalo brings
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Jan 2, 2018 22:35:41 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 2, 2018 22:35:41 GMT -6
Shooting the 3 is where we are down now. But, I'll be surprised if we don't end up just fine.
EMU and others are defending us like we can shoot, and that both makes it harder and opens up other shots. That's what we want and we are scoring well, not getting shut down!
When they let us shoot, that's the clue we aren't a good shooting team...
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 2, 2018 22:45:18 GMT -6
Whitford said that Mallers would surprise people this year and obviously he should know and is right. He’s not flashy or spectacular or a stat stuffer but just has a great nose for the game. Frankly, he is probably our MVP at this point despite Persons impact and role. Speaking of Persons, I’ll bet he’s glad to see the zone D opponents gone for a few games. Doesn’t mean we won’t see it some but we’ve played several opponents lately who use it exclusively and he’s been pretty much neutralized as a result. Gotta love that we’ve become much more adaptable to different styles and other people are stepping up besides him to help us win. I’m sure we will have some valleys in the MAC season ahead to go along with our peaks like now but we sure have been fun to watch lately.
By by the way, Walker and El Amin were lost tonight and got a good taste of what conference ball will be like. They better be ready to step up and compete another gear or two because they were unprepared for the difference in intensity and competitiveness tonight. Hope Gunn gets back soon too. He needs some seasoning and a good dose of MAC ball will be a good wake up call.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 2, 2018 23:05:50 GMT -6
Whitford said that Mallers would surprise people this year and obviously he should know and is right. He’s not flashy or spectacular or a stat stuffer but just has a great nose for the game. Frankly, he is probably our MVP at this point despite Persons impact and role. Speaking of Persons, I’ll bet he’s glad to see the zone D opponents gone for a few games. Doesn’t mean we won’t see it some but we’ve played several opponents lately who use it exclusively and he’s been pretty much neutralized as a result. Gotta love that we’ve become much more adaptable to different styles and other people are stepping up besides him to help us win. I’m sure we will have some valleys in the MAC season ahead to go along with our peaks like now but we sure have been fun to watch lately. By by the way, Walker and El Amin were lost tonight and got a good taste of what conference ball will be like. They better be ready to step up and compete another gear or two because they were unprepared for the difference in intensity and competitiveness tonight. Hope Gunn gets back soon too. He needs some seasoning and a good dose of MAC ball will be a good wake up call. I just wish he would have went up and dunked one of those wide open lay ups.. I like me some dunks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 8:43:59 GMT -6
It's just too bad we have to play Mallers so much. A guy who will never be a MAC starter, can't play offense, and is a wasted scholarship. Oh wait a minute, I just looked at the box score. Yeah show me a single post where you predicted he would completely reinvent himself as a go to the bucket slasher. Then I'll show you over 100 posts where you were completely wrong about a recruits skill set.
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