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Post by bsu0 on Feb 8, 2018 19:17:23 GMT -6
Guys I never said I did any of these things...but I will admit I did a few. In fact, as I remember I believe THE KID may have been there also. I do not recall if he participated in any of the activities.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 8, 2018 19:33:09 GMT -6
Ok. Either the girl lied to the police about what he did to her or she’s lying now about him being innocent. She’s not an eyewitness, she’s the VICTIM. Her story was corroborated by the eyewitness. That’s two independent people who don’t know each other saying the same thing. That would sure seem to tilt the scales towards guilt. Unless of course both the accuser and the eyewitness are lying. Again, I have no idea what really happened, but you are taking a stance supported by what could easily turn to dust. Why are you so sure of your view of this? I’m taking a stance based on evidence and statements that have been made public. Additionally the police observed a head laceration that was bleeding and blood on the accusers head hand and shirt. She had to be treated at ball hospital. Tripped and fell on her own? They had enough to charge him with domestic battery. You tell me. Even if this thing suddenly goes away can bsu really afford the Pr hit in this metoo climate and Michigan state and Baylor?
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 8, 2018 19:36:35 GMT -6
Guilt or innocence is part of this.
What to do if not completely clear is another. What to do not easy even if very clear. Criminal law and University action again another issue.
Not easy to decide. The WH apparently having a problem on what is probably a more serious case.
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Post by sag on Feb 9, 2018 10:50:59 GMT -6
So partial information, some of which is contradictory is the what BSU and Whitford should also adhere to?
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 9, 2018 11:57:38 GMT -6
Unless the SP misreported things (which I suppose is possible), we have this:
*A witness told police he saw Ball State University basketball player Jontrell Walker repeatedly strike a woman in the head late Friday at a campus-area apartment complex.
*The woman told authorities Walker repeatedly struck her head against concrete during the attack, and knocked her down on several occasions.
*She was taken by ambulance to IU Health Ball Memorial Hospital for treatment of a cut on the top of her head that was still bleeding when police arrived shortly before midnight, and a cut on her right hand.
*Walker said during their altercation, the woman threatened to call police, and he took her phone so she could not place that call, authorities said.
So, we have Walker himself, the victim, and a third person all saying some pretty damning things about Walker's behavior that night. And the bleeding cuts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 12:00:13 GMT -6
Ok. Either the girl lied to the police about what he did to her or she’s lying now about him being innocent. She’s not an eyewitness, she’s the VICTIM. Her story was corroborated by the eyewitness. That’s two independent people who don’t know each other saying the same thing. That would sure seem to tilt the scales towards guilt. Unless of course both the accuser and the eyewitness are lying. Again, I have no idea what really happened, but you are taking a stance supported by what could easily turn to dust. Why are you so sure of your view of this? So he pled guilty to something that was complete nonsense ?
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 9, 2018 13:17:24 GMT -6
Again, I have no idea what really happened, but you are taking a stance supported by what could easily turn to dust. Why are you so sure of your view of this? So he pled guilty to something that was complete nonsense ? He pled guilty?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 13:20:44 GMT -6
So he pled guilty to something that was complete nonsense ? He pled guilty? Didn't he enter into a plea agreement and get a diversion program ?
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 9, 2018 13:33:11 GMT -6
Didn't he enter into a plea agreement and get a diversion program ? I haven't read the pre-trial diversion agreement he signed. As far as I know the agreement doesn't have to include a plea or even an admission of guilt, but the individual prosecutor could make that a condition I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 13:41:04 GMT -6
Didn't he enter into a plea agreement and get a diversion program ? I haven't read the pre-trial diversion agreement he signed. As far as I know the agreement doesn't have to include a plea or even an admission of guilt, but the individual prosecutor could make that a condition I suppose. I am not positive, I thought you had to plea before a diversion program is mandated.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 9, 2018 13:45:32 GMT -6
I haven't read the pre-trial diversion agreement he signed. As far as I know the agreement doesn't have to include a plea or even an admission of guilt, but the individual prosecutor could make that a condition I suppose. I am not positive, I thought you had to plea before a diversion program is mandated. You do not have to plea. Here is the statute: A prosecuting attorney may withhold prosecution against an accused person if: (1) the person is charged with a misdemeanor, a Level 6 felony, or a Level 5 felony; (2) the person agrees to conditions of a pretrial diversion program offered by the prosecuting attorney; (3) the terms of the agreement are recorded in an instrument signed by the person and the prosecuting attorney and filed in the court in which the charge is pending; and (4) the prosecuting attorney electronically transmits information required by the prosecuting attorneys council concerning the withheld prosecution to the prosecuting attorneys council, in a manner and format designated by the prosecuting attorneys council. But I think it's likely the prosecutor would make a condition under (2) that the accused admit guilt in a such a way that would have the same effect. I'd want to read his agreement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 13:54:19 GMT -6
I am not positive, I thought you had to plea before a diversion program is mandated. You do not have to plea. Here is the statute: A prosecuting attorney may withhold prosecution against an accused person if: (1) the person is charged with a misdemeanor, a Level 6 felony, or a Level 5 felony; (2) the person agrees to conditions of a pretrial diversion program offered by the prosecuting attorney; (3) the terms of the agreement are recorded in an instrument signed by the person and the prosecuting attorney and filed in the court in which the charge is pending; and (4) the prosecuting attorney electronically transmits information required by the prosecuting attorneys council concerning the withheld prosecution to the prosecuting attorneys council, in a manner and format designated by the prosecuting attorneys council. But I think it's likely the prosecutor would make a condition under (2) that the accused admit guilt in a such a way that would have the same effect. I'd want to read his agreement. Yeah and I think there is something equivalent to a "no contest" agreement sometimes. It's not an actual guilty plea, but I have to ask why would an innocent person agree to hassles of a diversion program.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 9, 2018 14:17:57 GMT -6
Yeah and I think there is something equivalent to a "no contest" agreement sometimes. It's not an actual guilty plea, but I have to ask why would an innocent person agree to hassles of a diversion program. To get back on the team faster.
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