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Post by 00hmh on Jan 14, 2018 8:40:12 GMT -6
I'll wait on that judgment. Teague was a pretty good shooter last season, I am not sure what happened to him. He is better than the 10% he is shooting this season, but let's get real he shouldn't be putting up six attempts under any circumstance. A couple a game in an attempt to get his shot back would be understandable. I tend to the think the same thing. But. If the other team dares him to shoot, covers up everyone else, you may not have a lot of choice. If the coaches like the shots he is taking, I think he probably has to shoot. Maybe try to tweak that shot selection a little. But. For all his talent, we know he is hard a player to read at best, and it's not just that he has lots of room to change and improve, but he is at this point streaky, mercurial, maybe impulsive, sometimes a little out of control. That's a lot of variables, yet he is a player we need to play, just don't have an alternative.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 8:44:14 GMT -6
If we just keep shooting them good things will happen.. Not sure there is another answer. You can be reasonably sure he is hitting the shots in practice, and coaches are sitting there knowing he can hit them. If he is taking good shots, doing what works in practice... Of course, it would be nice to have several players to play at the position. If one is in a shooting slump, bench him, limit his minutes, play him in games you'll win anyway, let him work out in practice. If he isn't hitting in a particular game, other guy gets the minutes. But even then, even the best teams usually have to let the guy play and suffer through the slump to some degree. While it is sometimes possible to just go to plan B, in a tough game you want to do what gives you the chance to win, and when shots don't fall, you just sometimes don't win. In football terms if you are a passing team and your offense is not playing well, how often do you have a championship QB on the bench? Can you switch to a running game in a half time adjustment? 1) When did Teague become a two guard where he has to shoot threes with proficiency to get minutes. 2) I am fine with letting a proven shooter work through a slump, but that doesn't apply here at all. 3) If freaking Western Michigan is still a tough game "you sometimes just don't win" then we aren't where we should be in Whitford's fifth season. 4) If I wanted to build a passing team in football it would be of the utmost importance to recruit players with the skill sets to fit the system, I can't just label it a passing team because I failed to recruit quality running backs and offensive tackles.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 14, 2018 8:51:58 GMT -6
We’ve played this poorly twice in 4 conference games already. So, you saying players can’t be up for 50% of the conference games? Including against the best in the league? Why even play then? We are still the third best conference team based on Sagarin ratings for the season, but looking at Sagarin RECENT ratings it bears out that we are just not playing well in conference. When you can explain how teams get in a slump, it's probably a Nobel Prize for Basketball. I think this is why there are so many bald college basketball coaches. Clearly the answer to your question is that players can be and "should" be up for nearly every conference game, and just as clearly that what can and should be very often doesn't work out that way. Ask Akron what happened to them as the season went on last year, ask UB what happened last year after they toasted us, ask Kent how they became hot for the conference tourney. Oh, if you want the really short answer to your question it is that we don't have other players to play...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 8:58:03 GMT -6
We’ve played this poorly twice in 4 conference games already. So, you saying players can’t be up for 50% of the conference games? Including against the best in the league? Why even play then? We are still the third best conference team based on Sagarin ratings for the season, but looking at Sagarin RECENT ratings it bears out that we are just not playing well in conference. When you can explain how teams get in a slump, it's probably a Nobel Prize for Basketball. I think this is why there are so many bald college basketball coaches. Clearly the answer to your question is that players can be and "should" be up for nearly every conference game, and just as clearly that what can and should be very often doesn't work out that way. Ask Akron what happened to them as the season went on last year, ask UB what happened last year after they toasted us, ask Kent how they became hot for the conference tourney. Oh, if you want the really short answer to your question it is that we don't have other players to play... Problem is we just got smoked by the sixth or seventh best team. I am not sure this is a slump, it could very well be we were playing over our heads for a ten day period.
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Post by bsu0 on Jan 14, 2018 8:59:49 GMT -6
The house of cards is falling. We caught lightning in a bottle against ND. No matter what anyone says we should beat Valpo 50% of the time. I predict another sh*tty middle of the road season and a bid to one of the alphabet soup tournaments that are a national embarrassment. This dog and pony show has been exposed for what it is. I tried to be optimistic but I can not hide my true feelings any longer.
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Post by ballman on Jan 14, 2018 9:10:54 GMT -6
i am tired of our teams getting blown out by other mac teams. ill be a happy camper to continue to lose by single digits lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 9:13:26 GMT -6
The house of cards is falling. We caught lightning in a bottle against ND. No matter what anyone says we should beat Valpo 50% of the time. I predict another sh*tty middle of the road season and a bid to one of the alphabet soup tournaments that are a national embarrassment. This dog and pony show has been exposed for what it is. I tried to be optimistic but I can not hide my true feelings any longer. Valpo is 2-4 in the Mo Valley, we can stop looking at that as a resume win.
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 14, 2018 9:48:20 GMT -6
Here’s Halftime with his usual smack talking!
And, BSU0 climbing on Board predicting a middle of the pack finish!
I’m disappointed but I say not so fast it’s very early to suggest this team is done!
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Post by cardfan on Jan 14, 2018 10:06:06 GMT -6
We’re not nearly done, but there are certainly some issues. It’s early and they can be worked out. Whit first needs to address and remedy the constant slow starts. Fix that and a lot of other problems go away or are minimized. Consistency of effort and focus/intensity is another. Why do we always seem so flat and dispassionate? (Other than Persons).
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 14, 2018 10:10:10 GMT -6
I guess I would say that "No, I did not actually expect to get our butts handed to us at WMU."
Look this is a team we've beaten 4 times in the past 2 years (including at WMU and on a neutral court) and, yes, they have some young kids who've improved, but should we not have progressed also? At one point this season, I thought perhaps we had.
This is an experienced team. The only player who hasn't been through the conference wars is El-Amin, so there's absolutely no reason for the type of game they played yesterday. Losses are acceptable. That type of performance is not, and it seems to speak poorly of where we are with the "process" in Whitford's fifth season.
I feel like I've gone on ad nauseam about Teague's current style of play. All I'll say at this point is that I pretty much agree with what Halftime has said on the matter and I think the coaching staff is doing a great disservice to the team and the player by allowing it to continue.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 14, 2018 10:21:28 GMT -6
With what people on here consider a really good, experienced roster, and it’s year 5 of Whitford, we should be primed to make a run. Right? Yet right now we don’t appear to be. Plenty of time to change that, but, what’s going on?
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 14, 2018 10:53:47 GMT -6
Cardfan and I are exactly in sync!
Slow starts can not continue and I’ve seen very little passion or fire 🔥 the last few games, particularly big games against both Buffalo and WMU!! This is on both the Coaches and players!! How can you come out flat for two huge games?
Persons is in a funk...something crazy, maybe start Kip at the point and Tyler at the 2 and bring him off the bench for a game or two. Right now we have 3-4 players in a slump...Moses, Teague, Persons, and Kip!!
Where is the consistent team that was playing the season for Hollywood?!
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Post by ruffledfeathers on Jan 14, 2018 10:57:58 GMT -6
First off, the slow starts are not just in first half. The past two games have seen six point runs at the start of the second half by both OU and WMU. The Cards righted the ship in Athens, but could not yesterday. Looking at the box score from yesterday, a real shocker is the Cardinals overall shooting percentage was better than Western's. Even with the Broncos nailing 50% from the three, the reason the deficit was so large was the Cards committed nearly twice as many turnovers, outrebounded, especially on offensive boards, and shot less than half as many free throws as Western. That's what made for such a long afternoon.
I didn't watch Teague that closely, but I think often missed threes when wide open are caused by rushing the shot. He must be hitting them in practice or if not, should not take them. I would like to see him take more shots from 12-15 feet where he has a chance to get fouled and get to the line.
Even when the Cards were on the floor after loose balls, the ball always seemed to squirt out and Western had possession.
Good to see Ish get more minutes, and Sellers hit some threes. He plays with good effort.
Go Cards!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 11:10:30 GMT -6
Cardfan and I are exactly in sync! Slow starts can not continue and I’ve seen very little passion or fire 🔥 the last few games, particularly big games against both Buffalo and WMU!! This is on both the Coaches and players!! How can you come out flat for two huge games? Persons is in a funk...something crazy, maybe start Kip at the point and Tyler at the 2 and bring him off the bench for a game or two. Right now we have 3-4 players in a slump...Moses, Teague, Persons, and Kip!! Where is the consistent team that was playing the season for Hollywood?! Just forget about Kiapway, he hasn't done anything since the 15-16 season. I would start El-Amin over him. Persons may be in a funk but he is still deserves to start over Kiapway or Tyler. Moses and Teague aren't in slumps, this is just as good as they typically are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 11:14:27 GMT -6
First off, the slow starts are not just in first half. The past two games have seen six point runs at the start of the second half by both OU and WMU. The Cards righted the ship in Athens, but could not yesterday. Looking at the box score from yesterday, a real shocker is the Cardinals overall shooting percentage was better than Western's. Even with the Broncos nailing 50% from the three, the reason the deficit was so large was the Cards committed nearly twice as many turnovers, outrebounded, especially on offensive boards, and shot less than half as many free throws as Western. That's what made for such a long afternoon. I didn't watch Teague that closely, but I think often missed threes when wide open are caused by rushing the shot. He must be hitting them in practice or if not, should not take them. I would like to see him take more shots from 12-15 feet where he has a chance to get fouled and get to the line. Even when the Cards were on the floor after loose balls, the ball always seemed to squirt out and Western had possession. Good to see Ish get more minutes, and Sellers hit some threes. He plays with good effort. Go Cards! RF Teague needs to work hard in the off-season and develop an in the lane floater. He could be devastating with a shot like that, especially if he could also improve his free throw shooting just a tiny bit.
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