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Post by lmills72 on Jan 14, 2018 11:21:32 GMT -6
Where is the consistent team that was playing the season for Hollywood?! OK, I wasn't going to go here, but I'll blame Kid for opening up this topic, which is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. I don't necessarily give a crap about what people do privately, what causes they support, what they believe, how they mourn. But in our society today ... not just with the Cards this season ... we are oftentimes quick to speak, quick to react, and really shitty about following through. So, if you somehow state that you are going to support a cause or honor a person with your actions ... and those actions reflect less-than-honorable effort, you either ... A) Do a disservice to your cause or dishonor the person, or B) Lead people to believe that maybe it really isn't that important to you. In addition to a few basketball issues, maybe that's a lesson our administration, coaching staff and players should learn this season.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 14, 2018 11:21:38 GMT -6
We are still the third best conference team based on Sagarin ratings for the season, but looking at Sagarin RECENT ratings it bears out that we are just not playing well in conference. When you can explain how teams get in a slump, it's probably a Nobel Prize for Basketball. I think this is why there are so many bald college basketball coaches. Clearly the answer to your question is that players can be and "should" be up for nearly every conference game, and just as clearly that what can and should be very often doesn't work out that way. Ask Akron what happened to them as the season went on last year, ask UB what happened last year after they toasted us, ask Kent how they became hot for the conference tourney. Oh, if you want the really short answer to your question it is that we don't have other players to play... Problem is we just got smoked by the sixth or seventh best team. I am not sure this is a slump, it could very well be we were playing over our heads for a ten day period. OK so nothing is absolutely sure. But, I don't agree about Western. On a given night, at home, especially, they are good. In fact before the season, looking at last year, I'd have said Western looked like a top 2 or 3 team. Sagarin says they are 4th best now. There are 4 more who are pretty close to the top 4. UB is better than expected, Toledo has been good. And, although it is surely true we have had a very good stretch, now a more erratic and down stretch recently. But overall we may be slightly under rated by Sagarin since we started the season under manned. How the loss of Walker factors in as Moses and Francis improve, depends on whether we get Kiapway and Ish going. Our team, no team, will likely be "on" all cylinders for all that many games. At our best we are probably second best team, otherwise still we're with Western. But we can lay an egg, too. Who's happy about it but this is pretty much what I expected this year.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Jan 14, 2018 11:24:19 GMT -6
Put a fork in this bunch. Good job having the team ready to play and great adjustments! Does anyone else get the feeling this team could totally implode now? It's Ball State. There's always a non-zero chance of a midseason blowup.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 14, 2018 11:24:57 GMT -6
....I didn't watch Teague that closely, but I think often missed threes when wide open are caused by rushing the shot. He must be hitting them in practice or if not, should not take them. I would like to see him take more shots from 12-15 feet where he has a chance to get fouled and get to the line. Even when the Cards were on the floor after loose balls, the ball always seemed to squirt out and Western had possession. Good to see Ish get more minutes, and Sellers hit some threes. He plays with good effort. Teague needs to work hard in the off-season and develop an in the lane floater. He could be devastating with a shot like that, especially if he could also improve his free throw shooting just a tiny bit. Outside in, that he still needs, also strength to finish harder, more aggressive offensive rebounding. However. If he did get some kind of pull up or shot on the move in the lane, he would be impossible to play, even if not hitting outside or finishing. They'd have to stick to him like glue and that would mean they would foul him.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 14, 2018 11:25:32 GMT -6
You know you bring up a good point.. When Riley came in we thought we were getting a MAC caliber championship QB. When TaJ came in everyone swore we were getting an all MAC type player.. Both look awesome on paper but both have yet to put it altogether on the field/court.. Sometimes you just miss I guess
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Post by cardfan on Jan 14, 2018 11:31:30 GMT -6
Ub was picked to win the east and got the second most votes to win the Mac tourney so I’m not sure how they are better than expected. They were expected to be really good. So was wmu. We’ve been dominated by the expected top 2 teams in the league. That’s not unexpected if we are considered no better than middle of the pack. But I don’t think that’s what was expected of us.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 14, 2018 11:33:56 GMT -6
Ub was picked to win the east and got the second most votes to win the Mac tourney so I’m not sure how they are better than expected. They were expected to be really good. So was wmu. We’ve been dominated by the expected top 2 teams in the league. That’s not unexpected if we are considered no better than middle of the pack. But I don’t think that’s what’s expected. I'm talking about after last season when they fell apart a little and before they recycled some players. And they are not just the best in the East they have become really pretty good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 11:34:12 GMT -6
Two things I know: 1. We aren’t as good as some of us think we are. 2. We aren’t as bad as some of us think we are.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 14, 2018 11:36:21 GMT -6
You know you bring up a good point.. When Riley came in we thought we were getting a MAC caliber championship QB. When TaJ came in everyone swore we were getting an all MAC type player.. Both look awesome on paper but both have yet to put it altogether on the field/court.. Sometimes you just miss I guess Teague always had more upside, and is not a bust, hell, has two more years after this and can physically improve. Riley you expected his "middle" performance would be better, but he looks like he is what he is, and is heading toward being a real disappointment, maybe an outright bust.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 14, 2018 11:47:23 GMT -6
You know you bring up a good point.. When Riley came in we thought we were getting a MAC caliber championship QB. When TaJ came in everyone swore we were getting an all MAC type player.. Both look awesome on paper but both have yet to put it altogether on the field/court.. Sometimes you just miss I guess Teague always had more upside, and is not a bust, hell, has two more years after this and can physically improve. Riley you expected his "middle" performance would be better, but he looks like he is what he is, and is heading toward being a real disappointment, maybe an outright bust. Hey you brought it up. Yes Teague still has two years left and yes I have said before he could be really good. But we are halfway through his sophomore year now. I personally thought we could count on him to be a consistent force for us. Someone we could rely on. So far he is not I hope he can become that. I just watch other teams and see freshman and their Jucos/transfers giving them instant and consistent effort. Ours seem to show up for a game here and there or get kicked off the team altogether
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 12:20:35 GMT -6
You know you bring up a good point.. When Riley came in we thought we were getting a MAC caliber championship QB. When TaJ came in everyone swore we were getting an all MAC type player.. Both look awesome on paper but both have yet to put it altogether on the field/court.. Sometimes you just miss I guess Teague always had more upside, and is not a bust, hell, has two more years after this and can physically improve. Riley you expected his "middle" performance would be better, but he looks like he is what he is, and is heading toward being a real disappointment, maybe an outright bust. Teague is half way through his third year with this program and he still hasn't developed into a consistent offensive player. At this point he is exactly what he is going to be.
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Post by redbirdman on Jan 14, 2018 12:23:48 GMT -6
We are an inconsistent team no surprise it's what we have been for many a year. I still see us as a 20 win team. Is that good enough? Three or more years ago we would have been proud of that but today it is disappointing because the more we win the more we want. If we finish better than 11-7 in the MAC I will be happy worse than that unhappy. I do not see us getting to either the NCAA or NIT this year.I think next year will be better than this season. I don't think Walker will ever play another minute for us. I think Persons is tired & think his ability to be a successful go to player will make the difference in winning the West Division.
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Post by david75bsu on Jan 14, 2018 12:42:26 GMT -6
Yesterday's game was very dissapointing. I did not expect us to win up there, but they could have played a more competitive game. Teague needs to stop it with the threes - that was terrible. He needs to develop a good work ethic. Mosses needs to develops an attitude, IMO he has the tools to be so much more. Our seniors need to play like seniors. 'Ish is going to be good! Hopefully Gunn will Get healthy. Love Persons, works hard. This team can still win twenty. But Western showed our real weakness in the middle. Trey probably a good 4. Teague - not sure where he belongs, a three? We may be the in the top three of four in the MAC, But Western and Buffalo have shown they deserve their pre-season rating.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Jan 14, 2018 13:15:46 GMT -6
I think it would be great if Whitford could find out why the team ALWAYS takes 10 minutes to get it out of first gear. Western played out of their minds early but if the Cards just played ok, they're right in it. They chased them the whole game.
They can win the MAC. However, they haven't shown anything to give me reason to believe they're any better than Eastern, Western, Toledo and maybe even Miami and Central. Just a clump of decent MAC teams. That is all outside of Buffalo.
I don't know why but I'm a little bitter they way they went in an got slapped around in K-zoo. Maybe it was all the yapping I was making about how good this team was.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 14, 2018 14:00:40 GMT -6
Teague always had more upside, and is not a bust, hell, has two more years after this and can physically improve. Riley you expected his "middle" performance would be better, but he looks like he is what he is, and is heading toward being a real disappointment, maybe an outright bust. Teague is half way through his third year with this program and he still hasn't developed into a consistent offensive player. At this point he is exactly what he is going to be. Look out. Sounds like a bet with your nemesis, the Kid in the making to me. One you'll lose.
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