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Post by hejustdidthat on Jan 28, 2018 17:21:38 GMT -6
What's the difference between a freshman who can't guard and a junior who can't? How many did Akrons guards get on Tayler yesterday? Thats true but at least yesterday Persons was in position to defend most of the time. I am not sure if you were at the hame or not. There were several instances where El amin had no idea where he was even supposed to be on the floor. He had to have other team mates pointing him where he was supposed to be No I was not. I watched on the espn feed. Unfortunately you don't get the same perspective that you do being there. But the camera usually shows the ball, and Tayler had quite a few "matador" attempts at playing defense. I did see most games last year live though, and calling Tayler a defensive stalwart would be an exaggeration like Donald would make.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 28, 2018 17:29:33 GMT -6
I get that and he is my no means a stopper he may not even be what you call a good/decent defender. He is a much better stronger defender than ish though. If you read the paper the Whit said the reason Thompson was brought into the game instead of Kiapway was for defensive purposes. Maybe we will see more of that as well. If thats true then whits view of Kiapway on defense is not glowing either. The other thing we now have to worry about is none of the guards can be aggressive on D because if they couple weak calls and get in foul trouble we have no one to turn too. Our Guard defensive may have to be wave your arms in the air and hope he misses.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 28, 2018 17:30:24 GMT -6
No one played d yesterday. No one.
Well, Josh Thompson had a decent sequence.
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Post by rgmillikan on Jan 28, 2018 17:44:20 GMT -6
I'll say it. I'd fire both Shitbird and Sandy tomorrow morning and not suffer a sleepless minute. Whitfords 2 extensions make him very very hard to fire. I dint see the administration buying out 4 years of contracts. Whoever is AD I do think though could pressure Whitford to shake his staff up if the Cards don't finish in top 4 of a mediocre MAC. I think that would be justified given expectations coming into MAC play. I'm willing to play the season out before something like that would be considered.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 28, 2018 18:16:28 GMT -6
The quality of Persons shots is a problem for sure. And sometimes it feels like he’s got to “get his” outside of the offense. But who else is going to score consistently and stay aggressive? I’m game for trying moving him to the two and riding with ish. But that compromises the defense. Ish is going to have to get a lot stronger. He is a very poor defender as Akron’s Freshman was able to get around him at will. He has to get in the weight room. You might see us change the things up with a more 3 out 2 in approach with Moses in High post and Teague in the low post. Teague looking for the ball, running through a screen or two, then ending in the low post on the move is a good idea. If he gets the matchup to drive, or gets a smaller defender in the post, either good outcome, uses his mobility. Moses a good passer.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 28, 2018 18:18:27 GMT -6
Ish can improve for next year, but he's sure struggling this year against quickness.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 28, 2018 18:21:44 GMT -6
Im not sure basketball assistants matter all that much when it comes to win and losses. Sure they have a role but with only 12 guys the head coach is the one doing most of the coaching. They do watch a lot of film and contribute in other ways though. Its not like football where you have a 100 kids and each groups growth depends directly on what a position coach does.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 28, 2018 18:23:18 GMT -6
Ish is going to have to get a lot stronger. He is a very poor defender as Akron’s Freshman was able to get around him at will. He has to get in the weight room. You might see us change the things up with a more 3 out 2 in approach with Moses in High post and Teague in the low post. Teague looking for the ball, running through a screen or two, then ending in the low post on the move is a good idea. If he gets the matchup to drive, or gets a smaller defender in the post, either good outcome, uses his mobility. Moses a good passer. If the attentive ready to play teague shows up this is an option. If the aloof head in the clouds Teague shows up it does not really matter
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Post by hejustdidthat on Jan 28, 2018 20:30:42 GMT -6
Im not sure basketball assistants matter all that much when it comes to win and losses. Sure they have a role but with only 12 guys the head coach is the one doing most of the coaching. They do watch a lot of film and contribute in other ways though. Its not like football where you have a 100 kids and each groups growth depends directly on what a position coach does. I'm sorry your experience was such. I always assumed you played in college. My position coach had a lot to do with my development, and my development had a WHOLE LOT to do with our wins and losses, as well as my team mates development did. Can't agree with that statement at all.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 28, 2018 20:34:54 GMT -6
Im not going to look up actually averages but I will GUess Persons 13 teague 10 moses 10 mallers 8 sellers 10 kiapway 7 ish 5 gunn 5 68 points on average coupled with the fact we a are horrible defensive team is not going to win many games.. We are going to need a couple kids to really step up and increase those numbers You're close enough not to quibble with on the averages, but the first 5 listed and Ish will be getting more minutes now, thus more opportunities, which I think makes your 68 point average conservative.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 28, 2018 20:45:15 GMT -6
I think we're at a point where you have to roll the dice some. Might win. Might lose. But, we sure can't continue as planned considering the roster limitations.
Despite his defensive deficiencies, I say start Ish at PG and Persons at the 2, moving him to PG when Ish needs a break.
I start Teague, too. Not sure who that leaves on the bench, but maybe Moses.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 28, 2018 21:14:58 GMT -6
Im not sure basketball assistants matter all that much when it comes to win and losses. Sure they have a role but with only 12 guys the head coach is the one doing most of the coaching. They do watch a lot of film and contribute in other ways though. Its not like football where you have a 100 kids and each groups growth depends directly on what a position coach does. I'm sorry your experience was such. I always assumed you played in college. My position coach had a lot to do with my development, and my development had a WHOLE LOT to do with our wins and losses, as well as my team mates development did. Can't agree with that statement at all. Me play in college oh lord no not at all.Not even close at all. I could be way off with that statement but the 10-12 practices ive seen over the past few seasons have been pretty much ran entirely by whitford. Sure the assistants are helping out here and there and maybe the do more offseason. I just do not think firing off assistants is going to change the outlook/outcomes of the program.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 28, 2018 21:36:33 GMT -6
"rmcalhoun" is just being modest. He's actually Bonzi Wells.
But he did misname this thread. It should be titled "going around in endless circles"
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 28, 2018 22:08:53 GMT -6
Ever decreasing concentric circles till we stick our own ase of our own asshole.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 29, 2018 7:48:58 GMT -6
I think we're at a point where you have to roll the dice some. Might win. Might lose. But, we sure can't continue as planned considering the roster limitations. Despite his defensive deficiencies, I say start Ish at PG and Persons at the 2, moving him to PG when Ish needs a break. I start Teague, too. Not sure who that leaves on the bench, but maybe Moses. Guys the last thing you want is to blow this thing up and start radically changing roles 22 games into the season. That sends the message to your team that we are either panicking or playing for next year. We’ve moved on from Walker now and Tyler was a bench player. Losing both hurts and yes, it screws up our depth and rotation dramatically but some of the ideas being floated here are ridiculous at best and just a knee jerk reaction. Ish and Gunn will remain as bench players. Neither is ready for prime time or headed to the HOF. Depth and scoring will be a challenge in the last ten games and the tourney. So will fatigue and foul trouble at times. But our first five is just gonna have to suck it up and we will have to hope that Kiapway, Gunn and Ish along with Josh Thompson can hold the fort down and not kill us when they sub. We’ve gone from having a good first five with a solid second unit to a good first five and second unit that can only spell the starters a few minutes rest. That’s where we are.
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