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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 17:44:51 GMT -6
You will have to help me here. I don't remember a MAC team ever playing in a significant bowl game.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 10, 2018 17:58:32 GMT -6
You will have to help me here. I don't remember a MAC team ever playing in a significant bowl game. Most recently western Michigan 2017 cotto bowl NIU 2013 BCS both would be considered very significant bowl games
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Post by cardfan on Mar 10, 2018 18:13:15 GMT -6
You will have to help me here. I don't remember a MAC team ever playing in a significant bowl game. Most recently western Michigan 2017 cotto bowl NIU 2013 BCS both would be considered very significant bowl games Yep. Wmu damn near beat Wisconsin that day.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 10, 2018 18:13:41 GMT -6
I would probably argue that Kent's Elite 8 run, which resulted in pretty heavy national attention over 2 weeks and included victories over much higher profile teams, was a more significant athletic event/achievement than, say, NIU's 31-10 drubbing by Florida State in the Orange Bowl. I would even say Ball State's Sweet 16 run was more significant. We're talking about teams here that only lost when beaten by either the national champion or the runner-up those years. These were relevant teams in college basketball those years. NIU, despite its success and ranking, was basically viewed as a poser on the national stage and proved it on the field. At least Western's loss in the Cotton Bowl was more respectable, but still a loss.
On the other hand, I would argue that every bowl game Ball State has ever played in would be the equivalent of the basketball team's appearance in a tournament like the CIT or CBIT, which is basically to say they are irrelevant. Fun for fans, but irrelevant.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 10, 2018 18:22:43 GMT -6
Problem with those basketball tourney runs by MAC teams? Long time ago. Football has had the more recent success with National recognition. Mac basketball has been silent for quite awhile.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 10, 2018 18:26:38 GMT -6
I would probably argue that Kent's Elite 8 run, which resulted in pretty heavy national attention over 2 weeks and included victories over much higher profile teams, was a more significant athletic event/achievement than, say, NIU's 31-10 drubbing by Florida State in the Orange Bowl. I would even say Ball State's Sweet 16 run was more significant. We're talking about teams here that only lost when beaten by either the national champion or the runner-up those years. These were relevant teams in college basketball those years. NIU, despite its success and ranking, was basically viewed as a poser on the national stage and proved it on the field. At least Western's loss in the Cotton Bowl was more respectable, but still a loss. On the other hand, I would argue that every bowl game Ball State has ever played in would be the equivalent of the basketball team's appearance in a tournament like the CIT or CBIT, which is basically to say they are irrelevant. Fun for fans, but irrelevant. You could and probably have a valid argument and I would counter one was 15 years and the other was in the stone ages.. What we should be able to agree on that the MAC outside of a couple outliers in Basketball and football is never really nationally relevant. It just so happens that any national relevance latley has came on the football side
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 18:27:54 GMT -6
You will have to help me here. I don't remember a MAC team ever playing in a significant bowl game. Most recently western Michigan 2017 cotto bowl NIU 2013 BCS both would be considered very significant bowl games The Cotton Bowl is a nice achievement but I doubt they saw much benefit from a bowl game that drew a 3.1 rating. The elite eight in basketball pulls a 10, hell the round of 32 pulls a 6.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 10, 2018 18:32:57 GMT -6
You could also argue that goofy weekday MAC football Games are the are the only reason any one under the age of 25 knows anything of the MAC. Everyone knows the #maction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 18:34:21 GMT -6
I did not think NIU got drubbed in that bowl against Florida St. The game was still in reach at the end of the 3rd quarter and remember that was a Florida St team that was picked by the talking heads to compete for a national championship.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 10, 2018 18:40:26 GMT -6
Most recently western Michigan 2017 cotto bowl NIU 2013 BCS both would be considered very significant bowl games The Cotton Bowl is a nice achievement but I doubt they saw much benefit from a bowl game that drew a 3.1 rating. The elite eight in basketball pulls a 10. I agree with that but again you know its a what have you done for me lately world.. MAc basketball has not done anything in a long time so any argument of national relevancy has to come from the football side
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Post by redfeather on Mar 10, 2018 18:41:47 GMT -6
I would probably argue that Kent's Elite 8 run, which resulted in pretty heavy national attention over 2 weeks and included victories over much higher profile teams, was a more significant athletic event/achievement than, say, NIU's 31-10 drubbing by Florida State in the Orange Bowl. I would even say Ball State's Sweet 16 run was more significant. We're talking about teams here that only lost when beaten by either the national champion or the runner-up those years. These were relevant teams in college basketball those years. NIU, despite its success and ranking, was basically viewed as a poser on the national stage and proved it on the field. At least Western's loss in the Cotton Bowl was more respectable, but still a loss. On the other hand, I would argue that every bowl game Ball State has ever played in would be the equivalent of the basketball team's appearance in a tournament like the CIT or CBIT, which is basically to say they are irrelevant. Fun for fans, but irrelevant. You could and probably have a valid argument and I would counter one was 15 years and the other was in the stone ages.. What we should be able to agree on that the MAC outside of a couple outliers in Basketball and football is never really nationally relevant. It just so happens that any national relevance latley has came on the football side I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that as this year’s win over ND in men’s bbk gain quite a bit of national attention for a good couple of weeks if not more.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 10, 2018 18:42:28 GMT -6
I did not think NIU got drubbed in that bowl against Florida St. The game was still in reach at the end of the 3rd quarter and remember that was a Florida St team that was picked by the talking heads to compete for a national championship. That is true FSU pulled away late but NIU played well. There were many other schools that would have played FSU better but thats a different argument
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 10, 2018 18:46:25 GMT -6
You could and probably have a valid argument and I would counter one was 15 years and the other was in the stone ages.. What we should be able to agree on that the MAC outside of a couple outliers in Basketball and football is never really nationally relevant. It just so happens that any national relevance latley has came on the football side I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that as this year’s win over ND in men’s bbk gain quite a bit of national attention for a good couple of weeks if not more. It did garner national attention but not for a couple weeks only until the next upset happened. We remember it differently because BSU was involved. There were tons of upsets this year some bigger than BSU/ND and I cant remember one of them. The argument that could still be made is the ND/BSU game is still garnering national attention right now as a terrible loss for ND
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 18:51:33 GMT -6
I did not think NIU got drubbed in that bowl against Florida St. The game was still in reach at the end of the 3rd quarter and remember that was a Florida St team that was picked by the talking heads to compete for a national championship. That is true FSU pulled away late but NIU played well. There were many other schools that would have played FSU better but thats a different argument Yeah that game received more publicity from the douche nozzle Dan Le Batard complaining about the match-up on ESPN for a month.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 10, 2018 19:00:41 GMT -6
Problem with those basketball tourney runs by MAC teams? Long time ago. Football has had the more recent success with National recognition. Mac basketball has been silent for quite awhile. OK, so let's use Ohio's Sweet 16 run in 2012, which is just a year earlier than the NIU Orange Bowl. Beat No. 4-seed Michigan and lost to No. 1-seed North Carolina in OT. As for the NIU Orange Bowl, the score might have been close in the third, but FSU killed them. Total offense FSU 534 yards, NIU 259. FSU owned time of possession by 8 minutes. May be a respectable loss to some folks but that's a pretty thorough beating to me.
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