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Buffalo
Mar 16, 2018 8:36:04 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 16, 2018 8:36:04 GMT -6
Easy to say their coach is just a recruiter. But, he does get them to play hard, deserves credit for that. Last few years they did not do as well at that.
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Buffalo
Mar 16, 2018 8:43:37 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 16, 2018 8:43:37 GMT -6
The guard play made this possible. AZ could not beat their guards and made their offense ineffective. Then the speed opened the O. Great game plan and execution. Season stats don't show they are a great defensive team, but athleticism means they can really raise level when they put it together. That Arizona lost is a surprise, a blowout is embarrassing. Surprised me Arizona tried to beat them where Buffalo strongest, outside. Wonder what Arizona fan base is saying...
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Post by calpoly on Mar 16, 2018 9:15:10 GMT -6
Sean Miller's last loss as a player----MAC school; last loss as a coach----MAC school. I'm guessing he hates the MAC!
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Post by bsu0 on Mar 16, 2018 9:24:23 GMT -6
"Hope we play well' 'We could show up'' '' We can't get a big man'' ''Don't want them on the schedule" ''We just can't compete" "They are too quick" "We could not make a three'' ''We couldn't drive on their big men'' ''We don't have their budget'' ''We can't pay a good coach''............Please tell me what Buffalo has that Ball State University does not. I am tired of excuses and too many being (including those in the Athletic Department) satisfied with mediocrity. If one sets sights too low what does it mean when you meet them? If we had scheduled Oakland in place of Notre Dame this past season what would that victory met? I will tell you, absolutely NOTHING. WE COULD DO THIS IF THE POWERS THAT BE WOULD WANT TO. It is too bad they don't give a damn and would rather fight with a new President over the size of their member rather than improving the Athletic Department.
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Buffalo
Mar 16, 2018 9:33:29 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Mar 16, 2018 9:33:29 GMT -6
Buffalo plays hard and is tough and has excellent guard play. Az lacked those qualities last night. Our team often lacks the same. Our team's story this year was bit of a surprise when it was poor guard play that hurt the most, it was possible even expected to be a relative strength. I didn't think this was going to be our year, but Tyler, Francis and Walker sure might have been a big difference at the end of the season. Still, they as a group neither matched the size of the Buffalo back court, or except maybe Tyler were as good with the ball. They were good enough though, that with them we would be where Toledo was, in the Final game of the MAC. And Buffalo was not the same team in that game as they were last night. Buffalo 's season will be one for them to brag on for decades if our experience says anything, and they sure look talented and tough for next year, assuming the coach and crew are back. This year was the most consistent one he has had, if he has discovered how to keep that going, he's good. But with even one just more good game,he is on track to move up, hard for me to think he won't want to do that.
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Buffalo
Mar 16, 2018 9:41:42 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 9:41:42 GMT -6
Buffalo plays hard and is tough and has excellent guard play. Az lacked those qualities last night. Our team often lacks the same. They were good enough though, that with them we would be where Toledo was, in the Final game of the MAC. You are unbelievable. As if three, mediocre to lousy, two guards were our ticket to the big dance.
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Buffalo
Mar 16, 2018 9:49:28 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Mar 16, 2018 9:49:28 GMT -6
They were good enough though, that with them we would be where Toledo was, in the Final game of the MAC. You are unbelievable. As if three, mediocre to lousy, two guards were our ticket to the big dance. I think I said the opposite of that...I did not think this year was a really good chance at all, but yes we would have had a chance. Toledo had a chance, were in their game in the MAC inside 3 minutes. And we were definitely better than Toledo with those 3 guards playing well.
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Buffalo
Mar 16, 2018 9:54:43 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 9:54:43 GMT -6
You are unbelievable. As if three, mediocre to lousy, two guards were our ticket to the big dance. I think I said the opposite of that...I did not think this year was a really good chance at all, but yes we would have had a chance. Toledo had a chance, were in their game in the MAC inside 3 minutes. And we were definitely better than Toledo with those 3 guards playing well. Oh gee well yeah, I suppose if you use enough verbal qualifiers anything is possible.
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Post by thebsukid on Mar 16, 2018 10:18:32 GMT -6
Not one bit of love for the kid who suggested before the game that Buffalo would compete and could very well pull the upset!!!!!!
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Buffalo
Mar 16, 2018 10:18:53 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Mar 16, 2018 10:18:53 GMT -6
The guard play made this possible. AZ could not beat their guards and made their offense ineffective. Then the speed opened the O. Great game plan and execution. 2 for 18 on 3's for Arizona, a lot of that because of tough defense, while letting Buffalo shoot wide open 3's and hit 15 of 30... And then they seemed to just deflate and give it up... We all have said it was a case of being outhustled. Even thought they had the better big guys they were outrebounded when it counted partly due to that hustle and going for the ball from outside the paint. And that Arizona just failed to go inside. Pregame analysis of keys for ArizonaLook at what they thought they needed. But, What happened insteadArticle says 3 things perceptively: 1. They lost the battle of 3 pt shooting horribly: "You can point to any of these things as the ultimate death knell for Arizona on Thursday night. But when the Wildcats settle for 3-pointers – and miss them – there is not much chance of recovering for Arizona." 2. Here's a good point about what you need to do when you are 3 point shooting team (and we have not been able to do in the last few years): "Even so, when the jumpers aren’t falling and they most certainly weren’t in this one, the Wildcats needed to get to the rim and force their way to the free throw line. It’s a key part of the Wildcat offense, especially from Trier. Instead, the Wildcats took only 11 free throw attempts, making eight. Trier was a perfect 2-for-2." 3. And, here they point out the bottom line was not just Buffalo being tough, but Arizona being so lax, in my opinion even moreso in the second half: "The Wildcats settled for everything in this one, just playing the waiting game, patiently expecting the Bulls to eventually relent so they can go on one of their patented runs and put the 13-seed away." So, as we have talked about in the thread, there is a commonality in the mid major upsets. It is of course a fired up mid major team that has good talent, plays smart, very determined and tough under fire, they play their best in the big game, hit big shots, don't fold. But also that the major school just doesn't play near its best for some reason, as if they expect to eventually win and don't know they are in a dog fight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 10:29:43 GMT -6
That, my friends, is what we call MACTION.
The conference desperately needed that. Now they need to keep it going or it will be brushed aside by the talking heads.
I know a guy down here that went to Morehead St that is a huge Kentucky fan. I have never seen him wear Morehead St apparel. But he almost always has UK crap on.
Tomorrow, he gets to see my "Get some Maction" T-shirt. And it even has green on it.
GO MAC!
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Post by reevo on Mar 16, 2018 10:32:20 GMT -6
The guard play made this possible. AZ could not beat their guards and made their offense ineffective. Then the speed opened the O. Great game plan and execution. 2 for 18 on 3's for Arizona, a lot of that because of tough defense, while letting Buffalo shoot wide open 3's and hit 15 of 30... And then they seemed to just deflate and give it up... We all have said it was a case of being outhustled. Even thought they had the better big guys they were outrebounded when it counted partly due to that hustle and going for the ball from outside the paint. And that Arizona just failed to go inside. Pregame analysis of keys for ArizonaLook at what they thought they needed. But, What happened insteadArticle says 3 things perceptively: 1. They lost the battle of 3 pt shooting horribly: "You can point to any of these things as the ultimate death knell for Arizona on Thursday night. But when the Wildcats settle for 3-pointers – and miss them – there is not much chance of recovering for Arizona." 2. Here's a good point about what you need to do when you are 3 point shooting team (and we have not been able to do in the last few years): "Even so, when the jumpers aren’t falling and they most certainly weren’t in this one, the Wildcats needed to get to the rim and force their way to the free throw line. It’s a key part of the Wildcat offense, especially from Trier. Instead, the Wildcats took only 11 free throw attempts, making eight. Trier was a perfect 2-for-2." 3. And, here they point out the bottom line was not just Buffalo being tough, but Arizona being so lax, in my opinion even moreso in the second half: "The Wildcats settled for everything in this one, just playing the waiting game, patiently expecting the Bulls to eventually relent so they can go on one of their patented runs and put the 13-seed away." So, as we have talked about in the thread, there is a commonality in the mid major upsets. It is of course a fired up mid major team that has good talent, plays smart, very determined and tough under fire, they play their best in the big game, hit big shots, don't fold. But also that the major school just doesn't play near its best for some reason, as if they expect to eventually win and don't know they are in a dog fight. Arizona did not play their best because Buffalo took away everything they wanted to do. That my friend is the definition of toughness. They took the game to them and never backed off. They attacked the rim and attacked the glass. Sure they hit shots but they did enough of everything else to win that game. Everybody wants to point to stats as the reason for winning and losing but sometimes it comes down to grit and fight. These are the traits you are looking for when you are recruiting. Arizona is and was soft. Toughness and skill will beat soft great skilled players most of the time. We have one right now on the roster and potentially two more with Walton and Hazen. We need a team of these guys to compete with Buffalo. There is a huge gap between Buffalo's roster and ours talent wise and toughness wise. Kid, not to boast but I believe I said way back before the season began that Buffalo was the team to beat in the MAC. We have a long way to go to get to their level!!
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Buffalo
Mar 16, 2018 11:13:58 GMT -6
Post by frozenbaugh on Mar 16, 2018 11:13:58 GMT -6
Not one bit of love for the kid who suggested before the game that Buffalo would compete and could very well pull the upset!!!!!! Kudos. I picked this game and still have a perfect bracket. Until today, I'm sure....
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Buffalo
Mar 16, 2018 11:16:55 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Mar 16, 2018 11:16:55 GMT -6
Please tell me what Buffalo has that Ball State University does not. I am tired of excuses and too many being (including those in the Athletic Department) satisfied with mediocrity...... WE COULD DO THIS IF THE POWERS THAT BE WOULD WANT TO. I don't entirely agree, and don't get the part where you think the POWERS TO BE don't want to do it. That they have not succeeded and not made great decisions, that I see. What we know is not so much as you make it about desire to win but that we screwed up and hurt our chances with some bad decisions, and that left us in a deep hole. Deeper than Buffalo ever has been in. There are reasons coaches have not come to Muncie, some you list above, you can't just say that is all just excuses, there are real problems. When Buffalo which had had some good teams were in a milder slump than we were by far, they went out and hired Bobby Hurley. We hired Buckley. That better decision at Buffalo worked great but I am not sure it shows any greater desire exactly. Sure was a better hire... When Hurley went on to a big school, just 2 years, it looks they hired his assistant Oates as interim. They didn't show any great investment or any special desire, and maybe not as clearly a good decision. Much like we did we Ray, they gambled a bit on an assistant who was a recruiter and knew the players there, and had some good players coming in. Same old story, hope to keep your players the previous coach attracted happy, and of course, hire on the cheap (worked for us with Ray). His story is probably even more impressive than Ray though. Instead of keeping his AllMAC star player that he recruited, he instead lost two very good players, one who left with Hurley, and his prize recruit he lost due to discipline problems. Still he has won! So, the difference seems to be Buffalo gambled on a cheap hire and won when Oates in spite of everything had a good year, and although a bit up down, he's now riding high. Good call, but I see no great "will to win" in administration of the their athletic department. (Except maybe in allowing an awful lot of risky recruiting.)
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Buffalo
Mar 16, 2018 11:24:21 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 11:24:21 GMT -6
Not one bit of love for the kid who suggested before the game that Buffalo would compete and could very well pull the upset!!!!!! Kudos. I picked this game and still have a perfect bracket. Until today, I'm sure.... Yeah I am currently tied with 6300 others for first place in ESPN's Tournament Challenge Bracket. I am sure it will all come apart by Monday.
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