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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 3, 2018 19:51:20 GMT -6
On a very real note all this papa johns talk really screwed my diet.. He may or may not be a bad dude but these garlic parm breadsticks are awesome
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Aug 4, 2018 7:22:13 GMT -6
Cardfan i stand by my statement. yes. yes. Louisville and Purdue must share my opinion as well. but good ol BSU still in stone ages. sad. I give BSU kudos for actually looking at the entire context and not reacting in knee jerk fashion. Agree totally with Whitlock as well.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 4, 2018 7:34:54 GMT -6
I agree with the action but as usual can't quite totally agree with Whitlock...
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 4, 2018 8:21:02 GMT -6
i am not asking you to prove that John is not a racist. Not sure what you want from me for expressing my opinion in the forum. please do not post new topic if you are not willing to accept differing opinion...sorry i forgot we are under Putin's era. also, i look at it in the context of this country's history of racism beginning in 1776. sorry if my post is creating pain to you!
You're post creates boredom to me. People who obsessively see everything through the one-way lens of "racism" are the dullest and most predictable people on earth. The ridiculous fantasy that they are somehow being repressed and silenced is among their most stupid ideas...considering that you can't read the news more than 10 minutes without seeing somebody crying about alleged racism. For example, in this Schnatter affair, complaints from a handful of cranks are being given lavish coverage by the media, because they are in line with what the bulk of the media likes to promote.
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Post by universityjim on Aug 4, 2018 9:45:29 GMT -6
If I felt the N-word had been used Papa John in a hateful manner I would be the first to condemn. In this case he used the word in a conversation about trying to find a way to end racist ways. It is time ( and Ball State has done so) to stand up and tell this idiots to read why the word was used. If after actually READING AND UNDERSTANDING the context of the original conversation they still want to condemn....Screw 'em. He did no wrong this time in my book. He has said he was sorry and he was contrite. What more could he do? This has less to do with racism and more to do with politics. If John donated his money to leftist causes this would be a non-issue even if he did say the word he used. Some people have been trying to bury him long before this because he is a capitalist and gives money to causes that work against the Marxist ideology they profess. This just gives them another opportunity to try to silence the influence his donations may have on the generation of kids who are in college today.
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Post by stlchirp on Aug 5, 2018 0:12:37 GMT -6
How many of you on this board are African American? (Seriously, I don't know)
How many of you are Caucasian?(also don't know)
How many of you who aren't African American would say the N-word freely and openly in any context to a person of color?
Because you personally don't see it as a problem doesn't mean it's not a serious problem for someone else. For crap sake this is a massive blemish for the school.. this is not a time to point fingers and say liberals are a problem for recognizing that, despite what your beliefs arethis is NOT a positive for the school...why dont we ask the black student athletes if they are fine with it? I mean we are on this board to follow their success (and too many times failures) on the field and court, shouldn't we take into account their thoughts?..Whitlock said he heard about 10 complaints?!?.. 10?!?! There is an alumni petition with over 1500 signatures right now!! The optics and reality of this are awful.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 5, 2018 7:22:24 GMT -6
Can't understand why so many people want to be victims.
It must pay really well.
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Post by bsutony on Aug 5, 2018 7:48:16 GMT -6
This seems way overblown, but what do I know. The guy made a mistake, then he apologized. Time to move on.
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Post by cardfan on Aug 5, 2018 8:59:39 GMT -6
CONTEXT. He wasn’t calling people that word, he was giving an example of how in the past white people used that word without repercussions and how we cannot and should not do that today. He should not have used the actual word. He’s not a polished communicator. But that doesn’t make him racist. As The BOT said, a university is a place for an open exchange of ideas and free speech and they quite clearly stated that his use of the word was abhorrent. But they also understood the context.
I guess you are in favor of banning all books that contain the word? That we should just automatically shut down dialogue we don’t like?
I’m proud our university actually took a stand against “social justice” frenzy that in the long run hurts more than it helps.
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Post by realitycheck on Aug 5, 2018 9:39:08 GMT -6
How many of you on this board are African American? (Seriously, I don't know) How many of you are Caucasian?(also don't know) How many of you who aren't African American would say the N-word freely and openly in any context to a person of color? Because you personally don't see it as a problem doesn't mean it's not a serious problem for someone else. For crap sake this is a massive blemish for the school.. this is not a time to point fingers and say liberals are a problem for recognizing that, despite what your beliefs arethis is NOT a positive for the school...why dont we ask the black student athletes if they are fine with it? I mean we are on this board to follow their success (and too many times failures) on the field and court, shouldn't we take into account their thoughts?..Whitlock said he heard about 10 complaints?!?.. 10?!?! There is an alumni petition with over 1500 signatures right now!! The optics and reality of this are awful. Wow 1500 signatures out of the hundreds of thousands of alums? Gee, guess we better call another press conference. The optics and reality of this are that someone finally had the balls to speak out about nutjobs getting their panties in a bunch about an overblown media storm. PJ used a bad word in a fairly innocuous way. Doesn’t make him a racist. Doesn’t paint BSU in a bad light except a very small portion of people who likely are looking for ways to be offended. Congratulations.
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Post by stlchirp on Aug 5, 2018 9:44:50 GMT -6
Who said ban books? Wtf? Also..I never said he was a racist and quite frankly the context is completely irrelevant. Again... would any of you toss that word around freely and openly? Let's all go down to the practice field and you explain context to the players than say the N-word. I'm gonna guess you wouldn't. It comes down to a character issue and a pattern of questionable decision making from Schnatter.
Also, seeing people avoid my question. If the word is so innocuous..let's go use it freely among the student body. But but.. context!!! Hell, I'm a 43yr old white dude...I'm not offended. But I have the common sent to see it's really f'ing stupid.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 5, 2018 10:01:29 GMT -6
When Whitlock wrote the article there had been only a handful of people of protesting.. It was not until the board announced the decision that the petition started circulating the media and twittersphere.. There is link circulating twitter where anyone can sign the petition and it only has 1500 ish signatures.. People do not really care except for a few just looking for a cause to get behind. I have had conversations in the past where I have asked my black friends.. Have your ever been called a ____ or other similar type questions/statements. It was never a problem and I was never looked at as being a racist because I said I simply said the word _____. Something changed in the last 10 maybe even 5 years I believe this whole thing is more media fueled hype..
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Post by ballman on Aug 5, 2018 11:22:59 GMT -6
How many of you on this board are African American? (Seriously, I don't know) How many of you are Caucasian?(also don't know) How many of you who aren't African American would say the N-word freely and openly in any context to a person of color? Because you personally don't see it as a problem doesn't mean it's not a serious problem for someone else. For crap sake this is a massive blemish for the school.. this is not a time to point fingers and say liberals are a problem for recognizing that, despite what your beliefs arethis is NOT a positive for the school...why dont we ask the black student athletes if they are fine with it? I mean we are on this board to follow their success (and too many times failures) on the field and court, shouldn't we take into account their thoughts?..Whitlock said he heard about 10 complaints?!?.. 10?!?! There is an alumni petition with over 1500 signatures right now!! The optics and reality of this are awful. stlchirp- it appears i found a reasonable and well informed Cardinal in you as you openly stated you are a white person...(i apologize if i mistakenly quoted your post). truth be told i am 58 year old black and immigrant who found success despite the hardships (and at times deep racially motivated injury) by the hands of privileged individuals over the years...including at Ball State where i earned my master's degree. i love all this country and the people who made a difference in my life. i appreciate your post due to the fact that you asked thought provoking questions including asking a question regarding the racial mix of the forum participants and clearly stating the possible negative consequences of the use of racial terms and slurs in public by someone associated with the university. it is unfortunate such an incident took place close to BSU. i do not hold grudges; however, i do not look the other way when i see injustice of any kind even if they are members of my family. i called the president's office yesterday and spoke to Kathy to share my feeling about this unfortunate incident. a questions for anyone---how would you feel if all the black athletes boycott from signing with BSU? do you support black athletes only for their athletic ability? or do you see them as equal off the field?
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Post by realitycheck on Aug 5, 2018 15:26:01 GMT -6
Who said ban books? Wtf? Also..I never said he was a racist and quite frankly the context is completely irrelevant. Again... would any of you toss that word around freely and openly? Let's all go down to the practice field and you explain context to the players than say the N-word. I'm gonna guess you wouldn't. It comes down to a character issue and a pattern of questionable decision making from Schnatter. Also, seeing people avoid my question. If the word is so innocuous..let's go use it freely among the student body. But but.. context!!! Hell, I'm a 43yr old white dude...I'm not offended. But I have the common sent to see it's really f'ing stupid. What do you know about his character and his pattern of questionable decision making other than what you’ve read or heard in mainstream media or the twittersphere? Have you met him? Have you done some extensive research on all things Schnatter? I have no idea personally because I haven’t met him. Maybe he’s a raving asshole. But I’m not joining the idiot mob who has decided a comment he made in a private meeting where he appeared to reference Colonel Sanders using the n word and actually said the word trumps everything that is documented he has done successfully in his career as well as now dozens of people who actually KNOW AND HAVE MET him who say he is not a racist and his use of the word while poor judgement is not deserving of the dipshit social media response. I also said his use of the word was innocuous not the word itself. Reading and reading comprehension matter. Try it.
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Post by realitycheck on Aug 5, 2018 15:41:52 GMT -6
How many of you on this board are African American? (Seriously, I don't know) How many of you are Caucasian?(also don't know) How many of you who aren't African American would say the N-word freely and openly in any context to a person of color? Because you personally don't see it as a problem doesn't mean it's not a serious problem for someone else. For crap sake this is a massive blemish for the school.. this is not a time to point fingers and say liberals are a problem for recognizing that, despite what your beliefs arethis is NOT a positive for the school...why dont we ask the black student athletes if they are fine with it? I mean we are on this board to follow their success (and too many times failures) on the field and court, shouldn't we take into account their thoughts?..Whitlock said he heard about 10 complaints?!?.. 10?!?! There is an alumni petition with over 1500 signatures right now!! The optics and reality of this are awful. stlchirp- it appears i found a reasonable and well informed Cardinal in you as you openly stated you are a white person...(i apologize if i mistakenly quoted your post). truth be told i am 58 year old black and immigrant who found success despite the hardships (and at times deep racially motivated injury) by the hands of privileged individuals over the years...including at Ball State where i earned my master's degree. i love all this country and the people who made a difference in my life. i appreciate your post due to the fact that you asked thought provoking questions including asking a question regarding the racial mix of the forum participants and clearly stating the possible negative consequences of the use of racial terms and slurs in public by someone associated with the university. it is unfortunate such an incident took place close to BSU. i do not hold grudges; however, i do not look the other way when i see injustice of any kind even if they are members of my family. i called the president's office yesterday and spoke to Kathy to share my feeling about this unfortunate incident. a questions for anyone---how would you feel if all the black athletes boycott from signing with BSU? do you support black athletes only for their athletic ability? or do you see them as equal off the field? When did he use the word in public? It was in a private meeting. I’ve hosted athletes from our football program on numerous occasions, both black and white as have many other of my friends who are BSU supporters. I enjoy meeting them, talking with them and getting to know their “off the field” story. I personally don’t care what color they are. To me, they are young men just like my sons who are now in college. None of them will play professionally so I am interested in their future plans and goals. We joke around, have a meal and get to connect on a different level. Maybe some of the black athletes I have met would be offended at PJ’s comments but I think the majority would be smart enough to discern the difference between a hateful racial slur and a poorly chosen comment by a successful businessman and alum. I also believe most young men or women athletes of any color are choosing their college based on the coaches, academics and a general fit for them. Your boycott reference is just the kind of nonsense and false outrage that dominate the liberal media. There are plenty of real examples of hatred and bigotry across America. Pick up the phone and call one of them.
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