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Post by cardfan on Aug 5, 2018 15:53:56 GMT -6
Just saw a story about a sign marking the site of the horrible things that happened to Emmitt Till. It has been riddled with bullets. Again. And on other occasions the sign has been dumped in the very river Till was dumped in. THAT is what is outrageous, disgusting and abhorrent. That’s where outrage should be focused. Not at a person who used the wrong word once while NOT aiming that word at people, but rather pointing out that famous persons used that word wrongly and without punishment in the past. And it was in a private setting not aimed at demeaning others.
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Post by stlchirp on Aug 5, 2018 16:31:17 GMT -6
RealityCheck....we get it.."liberal media" is bad. Heaven forbid someone get offended by something that doesn't offend you. I'm sure it makes them a "snow flake" or whatever pejorative you think will upset people on the Left. Since people on here seem to know Schnatter so well and think his character is above reproach clearly whatever he does is just fine...be it the callous use of a word he shouldn't have, blaming black athletes who kneel for his slumping sales of his pizza, creating a work environment in his company that is well documented to be abysmal...but sure..you guys know him so....yeah, totally cool. Let's just look the other way..again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 19:34:30 GMT -6
RealityCheck....we get it.."liberal media" is bad. Heaven forbid someone get offended by something that doesn't offend you. I'm sure it makes them a "snow flake" or whatever pejorative you think will upset people on the Left. Since people on here seem to know Schnatter so well and think his character is above reproach clearly whatever he does is just fine...be it the callous use of a word he shouldn't have, blaming black athletes who kneel for his slumping sales of his pizza, creating a work environment in his company that is well documented to be abysmal...but sure..you guys know him so....yeah, totally cool. Let's just look the other way..again. Do you know John personally? Would you agree with the fact that viewership of NFL games dropped quite a bit when the Anthem controversy began? Would you agree companies that pay for advertising on TV shows that have declining viewership would have considerable concern with the decline in viewership? That some would voice dissatisfaction in the drop in your commercial's reach to the public?
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Post by realitycheck on Aug 5, 2018 20:57:16 GMT -6
RealityCheck....we get it.."liberal media" is bad. Heaven forbid someone get offended by something that doesn't offend you. I'm sure it makes them a "snow flake" or whatever pejorative you think will upset people on the Left. Since people on here seem to know Schnatter so well and think his character is above reproach clearly whatever he does is just fine...be it the callous use of a word he shouldn't have, blaming black athletes who kneel for his slumping sales of his pizza, creating a work environment in his company that is well documented to be abysmal...but sure..you guys know him so....yeah, totally cool. Let's just look the other way..again. I’ve already confessed to not knowing the man. I’m assuming you don’t either. I do believe the President and the BOT know him much better than either of us. I trust they have done their due diligence. My opinion I’ve shared is the media portrayal of him and the subsequent social media outrage is off base. If you don’t think the kneeling anthem issue has hurt the NFL and some sponsor sales then your naive. I’m not a fan of PJ pizza so maybe his decline in sales is bad product. But if I were a business owner and the largest portion of my ad budget was spent on a sport whose millionaire employees have offended and alienated hundreds of thousands of potential customers I’d be upset too. You are accurate that the liberal is bad. What’s worse are the lemmings who follow them and think they are the majority.
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Post by stlchirp on Aug 5, 2018 21:00:01 GMT -6
I would concur that someone who is embattled facing declining sales revenue and a poor image based on previous poor judgement would glom on to the controversy du jour to justify or rationalize a floundering bottom line. But I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you disagree. Not to mention his many legal woes before all of this..but. "successful business man" and all so continue to defend him.
Oh and I could give a rats ass if people stop watching the NFL because they are butt hurt because people whom have been through more than me want to do a silent nonviolent protest.. get a grip.
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Post by realitycheck on Aug 5, 2018 21:03:02 GMT -6
Please expand on the poor image and previous poor judgement. When you and John have talked about his decision making in the past what exactly did he say? Were you guys roommates at Ball State or just became acquainted later?
When you say people who have been through more than you or me are you talking about the millionaires who are somehow changing America while on the clock at their job?
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Post by stlchirp on Aug 5, 2018 21:06:57 GMT -6
Please expand on the poor image and previous poor judgement. When you and John have talked about his decision making in the past what exactly did he say? Were you guys roommates at Ball State or just became aquatinted later? Clearly you are close to this person and cannot separate reality from fiction. Your blind defense of him is sad at best. Any quick search online spells out prior legal issues..but "liberal media"..so you won't believe it. Enjoy your evening and go Cardinals.
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Post by realitycheck on Aug 5, 2018 21:10:16 GMT -6
The closest I’ve ever been to him was a large pepperoni and the most I have ever spoken about him was the twenty minutes I just wasted with you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 21:33:34 GMT -6
John pledged my fraternity at Ball State. At the time, there were 18 fraternities. Some had all black members. Some had all white members. Only three fraternities had a mix of both. One of the three was our fraternity. We were a mix of races, faiths and politics. Of all of the fraternities, John picked ours.
I would think that a racist, or a bigot, would have selected another group to affiliate with. Not ours. Not the one with a mixed membership. John fit in just fine. He got along with everyone, and no one had a problem with John. There was nothing racist or bigoted about him. Never a complaint about John personally.
I had a chance to meet up with John in 2012. He still pretty much the same guy, only he's not shy and introverted anymore. He pretty confident, but still a good, solid individual. By the way, the event was another fraternity gathering of black, white, asian, latino brothers. He engaged with everyone.
If John was a racist, or a bigot, I doubt he would've taken time out of his busy life to attend such an event.
I guess you can read social media, and people's uninformed opinions and jump to conclusions, or you can actually meet a person and learn the truth. Sometimes folks makes statements based on a motive, or other purpose. You gotta go a little further than that.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 6, 2018 5:45:44 GMT -6
stlchirp -
Why does it matter what color my skin is? So you can decide whether my opinion is valid to you?
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Post by Bigfoot on Aug 6, 2018 7:30:22 GMT -6
From the President of Ball State today (sorry for the length):
August 6, 2018
Dear Colleagues and Friends:
On Friday, Rick Hall, the Chair of the Board of Trustees, announced the Board's response to the questions concerning the recent reports about John Schnatter. I send this note in order to share my thoughts about this issue and to reaffirm our University's commitment to diversity and inclusion.
Mr. Schnatter's use of the offensive language was inappropriate. He has acknowledged that he should not have used that language, and he has apologized for the harm that his words caused to so many people.
This situation provides all of us with the opportunity to consider our most important responsibility—our obligation to take tangible steps to make our campus and our communities more diverse and inclusive.
Last year at this time, I shared my views on diversity and inclusion during my Fall Convocation speech. As some of you may recall, I shared my reflections about the disturbing events that occurred in Charlottesville, Virginia, last August. I explained why those events were so personally upsetting to me:
"I was born in Charlottesville, Virginia. At the time, my father was on the law faculty at the University of Virginia. As a child, I ran around on the lawn where white supremacists carried their torches last Friday evening. I was baptized in a church within a few blocks of the site where Heather Heyer was murdered on Saturday. My daughter Clare, who is here today, was baptized in that same church.
I earned my law degree from the University of Virginia. Members of my extended family have more than ten undergraduate or advanced degrees from the University of Virginia. My son, Geoffrey, who is also here today, is about to begin his sophomore year there.
His cousin, Olivia, will be a senior at the University of Virginia this Fall. My sister Tracey is Olivia's mother. Olivia's father, Tracey's husband, is African American.
What happened in Charlottesville last weekend was very personal."
In my remarks last Fall, I said that we had an obligation to condemn the racial hatred and bald-faced bigotry that instigated the violent confrontation that led to the deaths of three people.
But I emphasized that it is our work that will make our campus and our communities more diverse and inclusive:
“All of us must also continue to do the work to create a more inclusive culture on our campus. That work is hard. It requires us to engage in courageous conversations. It requires all of us to reflect candidly on our preconceptions and predispositions. Progress—real progress—requires a sustained effort.
But if each one of us, in our homes, in our neighborhoods, in our universities, in our companies, and in our other organizations—if we are able to create more inclusive cultures with the people we meet each day, then I believe we can create a more just society—we can form the 'more perfect union' that our Founding Fathers aspired to create.
That is my hope. And that should be our goal."
I am proud to report that, in this past year, we have collectively made progress towards that goal with the unanimous support and encouragement of our Board of Trustees.
For example, last Fall, we enrolled the most racially diverse freshman class in our history. We now enroll and graduate more underrepresented students than at any time in our 100-year history.
In May, the Board approved my recommendation that we invest $4 million to design and build a new Multicultural Center. We will locate that new facility in the heart of our campus, where it truly belongs.
Last week, the Board endorsed our new test-optional undergraduate admissions policy. This new policy is based on our research and our experience that shows high school grade point averages are the strongest predictor for student success. This policy will enable us to make our exceptional educational experience accessible to more first-generation and minority students, for whom such tests are often an unwarranted barrier.
In short, we are doing the work to make our campus more diverse and inclusive. There is much more work to do. And we must do this work together respecting our diverse perspectives, yet united in a common purpose.
Thank you for your commitment to our University.
Geoff
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Post by cbcjanney on Aug 6, 2018 8:30:23 GMT -6
Who said ban books? Wtf? Also..I never said he was a racist and quite frankly the context is completely irrelevant. Again... would any of you toss that word around freely and openly? Let's all go down to the practice field and you explain context to the players than say the N-word. I'm gonna guess you wouldn't. It comes down to a character issue and a pattern of questionable decision making from Schnatter. Also, seeing people avoid my question. If the word is so innocuous..let's go use it freely among the student body. But but.. context!!! Hell, I'm a 43yr old white dude...I'm not offended. But I have the common sent to see it's really f'ing stupid. "WTF?" "Hell, I'm a 43-yr old...." "really f'ing stupid" In a 5-line post about the acceptance, or not, of certain words you've inserted 3 usages that would, in context, be considered offensive to a large swath of Americans. You probably don't find those phrases offensive because you (or perhaps even John Schnatter) hears or may use them regularly. But as you suggest going to the practice field to explain away the N-word, try going down to the Southern Baptist Church and talk the way you did above and see if they'd like to name their new chapel after you. If you were a business owner, you might find it difficult to swallow that all church-going people would begin to boycott your store and/or somehow ruin your reputation amongst some circles, even if you apologized for the language choice and pledged not to repeat. It's hard to argue that, as we've heard increased dialogue over the last few years regarding diversity and inclusivity that we as a society haven't actually become more opinionated and less tolerant. We can all claim to be a victim of something(s) if we so choose to. Enough people can protest, boycott, and basically see to it that no one would ever want to operate a business if that's the end desire. Or...we can rise above that mentality.
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Post by stlchirp on Aug 6, 2018 10:05:52 GMT -6
For the life of me I cannot fathom how people on this board can so easily brush off the use of such a vile and charged word and then have the gall to try and even compare it to slang. I'm truly saddened to read your comments.
And as for lurking.. yeah, when it comes to the use of that particular word I think it does matter what the color of your skin is. Like it matters if people were to toss around slurs against particular religious groups or people of different ethnic background. You don't have ownership of the baggage that goes along with it you shouldn't say it.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 6, 2018 10:18:06 GMT -6
For the life of me I cannot fathom how people on this board can so easily brush off the use of such a vile and charged word and then have the gall to try and even compare it to slang. I'm truly saddened to read your comments. And as for lurking.. yeah, when it comes to the use of that particular word I think it does matter what the color of your skin is. Like it matters if people were to toss around slurs against particular religious groups or people of different ethnic background. You don't have ownership of the baggage that goes along with it you shouldn't say it. Yet rappers and plenty of ordinary black folks throw it around all the time. Do you?
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 6, 2018 10:54:14 GMT -6
It is not brushing it off to say we shouldn't sever ties completely and ignore all else because he screwed up
The BOT and others here make it clear the statement was out of line. Just not a firing offense all things considered.
If I were on the board I might word the admonition stronger. But can't criticize the BOT much more than that.
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