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Post by cardfan on Sept 15, 2018 16:24:17 GMT -6
Question: do we not throw the ball downfield because Neu just doesn’t have confidence in Riley? Or is it because for whatever reason our most talented receivers can’t get on the field and so there no downfield threat? Or is it because the oline can’t pass block well enough? Or is it just unimaginative play calling? Or is it a combination of all those factors? Whether it is it’s keeping the offense bottled up and predictable. I think I asked this question last year and we never got an answer.. Im going with all the above.. Gotta hope with more MAC like competition coming we will see more shots down the field.. Here is the problem, Miller not very fast easy to cover.. Hall and LAC small targets gotta be wide open or a taller db just knocks it away.. Tyler has not been here long enough to learn offense.. Newton, Gibbs, Gillis, big receivers who cant get on the field. Riley? Yeah is Gillis still on the team?dude is 6’6 and would be a nice redzone target. Are all those guys busts or are they not being coached well or are we not running an offense that exploits specific talents? Even with Neu calling plays we are still too one dimensional and horizontal. |
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Post by BSUMike on Sept 15, 2018 17:07:12 GMT -6
Our OL doesn’t give Neal enough time to throw and our WR can’t get open. Tough to pass down field with that combo. I’m not sure if that was great IU defense, deficiencies by our offense or both.
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Post by elephtheria47 on Sept 15, 2018 18:27:08 GMT -6
We surprised notre dame. the only film they had was our game against a crappy team where not much could be taken from. Iu had film from our game at ND and was better prepared. Certainly thought and hoped it was a closer game. Good thing is we are healthy and have a remarkably easier schedule the rest of the way. Hope we respond. Still hoping a bowl game is in the picture.
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Post by bsutony on Sept 15, 2018 20:53:13 GMT -6
Question: do we not throw the ball downfield because Neu just doesn’t have confidence in Riley? Or is it because for whatever reason our most talented receivers can’t get on the field and so there no downfield threat? Or is it because the oline can’t pass block well enough? Or is it just unimaginative play calling? Or is it a combination of all those factors? Whether it is it’s keeping the offense bottled up and predictable. I was at the game and the receivers were blanketed the entire game. I rarely saw an open Ball State receiver down field. Neal was also running for his life a lot. |
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Post by bsutony on Sept 15, 2018 21:15:13 GMT -6
Some thoughts from today's game..
IU has a much better OLine than ND. BSU didn't even come close to their QB and that gives our secondary no chance.
The WRs couldn't get open. I know Riley Miller is a reliable posession receiver, but maybe they need to give Tyler and other young receivers some more opportunities. They need to make some big plays in the passing game. Right now it's just screens and short passes.
Special teams looked a lot like last year. We're not good enough to get away with poor special teams play like today. Can we please never try a fg from 50 on 4th and 3 unless it's at the end of a half? Hagee doesn't have a strong leg. Hopefully they decide to go for it next time in a similar situation.
Next week is big. We are facing a team more at our level. After 3 weeks I think I am more optimistic about this team than before the season started. Hopefully they bounce back against WKU.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 15, 2018 21:24:11 GMT -6
Wins in the MAC are going to be very difficult to come by, especially if our offense continues to be pop gun. The defense is improved but cannot be asked to stay on the field as long as it was today. Neu needs to take a hard look at the offense, both in play calls and personnel. We have got to find a way to make some plays downfield.
Wku is tougher than their record and they have a big running back. We aren’t real big on d so tackling will be a problem.
Really need this one to have any hope at all of making it to 6 wins. Still think it’s a 4 win team at this point.
Akron beat northwestern.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 15, 2018 21:44:33 GMT -6
Our OL doesn’t give Neal enough time to throw and our WR can’t get open. Tough to pass down field with that combo. I’m not sure if that was great IU defense, deficiencies by our offense or both. This lack of throwing down field has nothing to do with IU. Its year three of it we just do not do it. Its not the opposing defenses its either we do not want too. Our receivers are not capable or Riley can not do it. No coach in Ncaa football does not want to not get it downfield. So you have to assume its the receivers or Riley |
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Post by redfeather on Sept 15, 2018 22:26:18 GMT -6
The thing is when Riley did throw down the field he was ALWAYS off target today! I don’t recall one down the field pass that was remotely close to the receiver today. I just don’t think he’s that accurate.
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Post by Bigfoot on Sept 15, 2018 22:41:03 GMT -6
We can’t keep kicking long fgs. Hagee isn’t good enough. Kills us. Rather harsh perspective IMO. I never criticize fg attempt that goes awry from 40 yards out and especially beyond 45 yards. Let’s not forget he hit a 49 yarder to keep us within striking distance against ND. |
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Post by bsu0 on Sept 16, 2018 0:08:38 GMT -6
Over the last three/four years we have gone through a sh*t pot full of receivers and Neal hasn't been accurate downfield with any of them. What does that tell you?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 16, 2018 0:21:17 GMT -6
I do not know what a good or average ncaa kicker is but a quick look of the stats show that as freshman and sophomore he appeared to be pretty good 78 and 76 percent. That seems like it should be pretty good but Ive never looked up another kicker. Last year though he was 9-16 for 56% that has to be considered bad. If you dig deeper he is 33-37 from 20-39 that has to be good but only 11-24 for anything over 40.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 16, 2018 0:45:49 GMT -6
Over the last three/four years we have gone through a sh*t pot full of receivers and Neal hasn't been accurate downfield with any of them. What does that tell you? We have talked about this every year since Riley has got here.. His deep throws have normally been off but he looked damned good in the spring and fall. Now we still were not throwing a ton of deep balls but when he did they were on target. So maybe its a game speed thing. I will add I do agree the last two games he has been running for his life and thats on the o line, |
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Post by IU_ND_BSU_FAN on Sept 16, 2018 7:36:03 GMT -6
WKU looked very good yesterday!!! We're going to have a small crowd. This is going to be a VERY tough game!
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Post by cardfan on Sept 16, 2018 8:14:43 GMT -6
We can’t keep kicking long fgs. Hagee isn’t good enough. Kills us. Rather harsh perspective IMO. I never criticize fg attempt that goes awry from 40 yards out and especially beyond 45 yards. Let’s not forget he hit a 49 yarder to keep us within striking distance against ND. Too harsh? He’s missed chip shots too. 40 yards out in this day and age isn’t unusual to hit consistently. He’s missed in all 3 games this year including a little closer one in the Nd game. (Yes, the 49 Yarder was huge but it’s not the norm for him). He wasn’t good last year. He was actually better as a freshman. The ball doesn’t explode off his foot and he’s not been able to drive the ball. The consistency just isn’t what we need when we’re always clawing for points. I don’t think we can regularly count on him. But, if he’s the best we’ve got then we have to stick with him. I get that. But it’s not been good enough the last couple years. We have to limit what distance we can use him is the main point. Either pooch punt or go for it rather than miss from 45 plus so often. |
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Post by bsutony on Sept 16, 2018 8:18:18 GMT -6
I do not know what a good or average ncaa kicker is but a quick look of the stats show that as freshman and sophomore he appeared to be pretty good 78 and 76 percent. That seems like it should be pretty good but Ive never looked up another kicker. Last year though he was 9-16 for 56% that has to be considered bad. If you dig deeper he is 33-37 from 20-39 that has to be good but only 11-24 for anything over 40. Yeah, he is solid on short kicks. I just don’t think we should be trying 50 yard kicks with him. He made one against ND, but he will miss those much more than he makes them. |
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