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Post by cardfan on Sept 16, 2018 8:26:12 GMT -6
Over the last three/four years we have gone through a sh*t pot full of receivers and Neal hasn't been accurate downfield with any of them. What does that tell you? We have talked about this every year since Riley has got here.. His deep throws have normally been off but he looked damned good in the spring and fall. Now we still were not throwing a ton of deep balls but when he did they were on target. So maybe its a game speed thing. I will add I do agree the last two games he has been running for his life and thats on the o line, If he’s going to be mentioned as being an Nfl qb he’s got to be able to make All the throws during a game. He’s shown that if he’s pressured his accuracy goes way down. (Back to that drifts beyond the tackles thing too). I don’t mind the throw aways under heavy pressure—that’s a good thing. It’s the inability to complete passes under ‘some’ pressure that hurts. He’s better as a runner in those situations. And even in a clean pocket he’s always struggled to hit deeper throws. Looked like that changed vs Ccsu but he hasn’t been close otherwise. Make a few of those and it opens the whole field up and forces safeties away from the LOS. He’s got all the talent, hopefully he’ll get back on track and make this offense better than it has been, admittedly against much tougher competition the last two games. We just still aren’t seeing an upper level Mac offense. Even Akron put 39 on Northwestern last night. Mac teams usually score in the 30-40 range. We’ve got to reach that level to take the heat off the defense.
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Post by BSUMike on Sept 16, 2018 8:58:43 GMT -6
Our OL doesn’t give Neal enough time to throw and our WR can’t get open. Tough to pass down field with that combo. I’m not sure if that was great IU defense, deficiencies by our offense or both. This lack of throwing down field has nothing to do with IU. Its year three of it we just do not do it. Its not the opposing defenses its either we do not want too. Our receivers are not capable or Riley can not do it. No coach in Ncaa football does not want to not get it downfield. So you have to assume its the receivers or Riley I thought Riley was on target on the few deep throws he tried, but the WR’s were blanketed. I guess that means the problem would be more on the WR in my opinion.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 16, 2018 9:25:39 GMT -6
So then essentially the WRs we’re putting on the field are subpar and can’t get open vs good competition. It would then seem the staff is failing to develop the young studs we’re supposed to have and can’t get them on the field for significant snaps. (Newton, Tyler, Gibbs, Gillis, etc.) It’s either that or Riley just can’t put the ball on them in tight windows. Which is it? Plitt seems to be able to hit guys on deeper throws, albeit against reserves. But he still puts it on hands further than 10 yards down field. He hit Newton a few times last year.
We have nothing to lose. Put our best play makers out there and see what happens. If they make mistakes, so what at this point. We have games to win.
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Post by BSUMike on Sept 16, 2018 10:37:42 GMT -6
I don’t want to single out a player or position. I think we have to look at our opponent and play to our strengths and advantages. I do not think that the long ball is Riley’s strength. He is not the most accurate passer, but he is athletic and a good decision maker from what I can tell, but if Riley has time I think he has the ability to throw downfield and make big plays with his arm as well as his feet. I felt like we tried to open up the passing game only after the game was already out of reach. I can say that both the ND game and IU game, our OL could not hold up long enough for downfield throws. IU receivers had all day to get open, but they did get open. I think if Riley has time to throw, everyone on offense will look better. I will get concerned if the offense doesn’t click next week, but we just played two good teams, so I am not yet ready to panic.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 16, 2018 12:33:36 GMT -6
We also need to define deep.. Deep to me is sideline and middle passes over 30ish yards... I want more sideline stuff. Riley has been okay with those 20-30 yard middle passes but those are not considered deep passes these todays
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Post by thebsukid on Sept 16, 2018 13:45:27 GMT -6
To RM’s point, Riley was very good on the 20-30 yard sideline route at ND!
To me, IU forced us to play faster than we would have liked too
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Post by cardfan on Sept 16, 2018 14:00:15 GMT -6
But Neu wants to play fast.
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Post by thebsukid on Sept 16, 2018 14:34:46 GMT -6
I didn’t mean like that Cardfan. I meant like IU’s defense hurried Riley, etc
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Sept 16, 2018 14:41:41 GMT -6
I'll say this...I wouldn't mind stealing IU's jet-sweep playbook and adding it into our repertoire. I don't know how many times IU ran it but it had to be in the dozens, and it's basically a 4-headed monster of a play. It can be a jet sweep, a hand off to the RB, a QB run, or a pass. It clearly played hell with out defense, as we had no answers for it on about 70% of the plays it was run on.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 16, 2018 14:52:51 GMT -6
I didn’t mean like that Cardfan. I meant like IU’s defense hurried Riley, etc Gotcha. Yes the pressure was too much.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 16, 2018 14:55:17 GMT -6
I'll say this...I wouldn't mind stealing IU's jet-sweep playbook and adding it into our repertoire. I don't know how many times IU ran it but it had to be in the dozens, and it's basically a 4-headed monster of a play. It can be a jet sweep, a hand off to the RB, a QB run, or a pass. It clearly played hell with out defense, as we had no answers for it on about 70% of the plays it was run on. We sort of do that with Hall, but maybe not creatively enough.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Sept 16, 2018 16:29:29 GMT -6
I'll say this...I wouldn't mind stealing IU's jet-sweep playbook and adding it into our repertoire. I don't know how many times IU ran it but it had to be in the dozens, and it's basically a 4-headed monster of a play. It can be a jet sweep, a hand off to the RB, a QB run, or a pass. It clearly played hell with out defense, as we had no answers for it on about 70% of the plays it was run on. We sort of do that with Hall, but maybe not creatively enough. We do, once or twice a game, and more often than not it's an actual jet sweep. I want to see that play a dozen more times and with all manner of trickery related to it!
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Post by universityjim on Sept 16, 2018 17:09:37 GMT -6
I watched most of the WKU vs. Louisville game. WKU is better than they were last year. Significantly better.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 16, 2018 17:33:24 GMT -6
That’s not what we want to hear, UJ.
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Post by lmills72 on Sept 16, 2018 19:34:49 GMT -6
I watched most of the WKU vs. Louisville game. WKU is better than they were last year. Significantly better. If you just watched the Notre Dame game, you'd say we are significantly better, too. But you know how that goes.
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