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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Dec 12, 2018 16:26:35 GMT -6
You can either be comfortable or great, but not both.
Our program's mindset is comfortable.
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Post by gocards17 on Dec 12, 2018 20:02:37 GMT -6
Not sure where you’re going to go and NOT find critics of a program. Living and dying with the success of their teams is what fans do. Players, such as Trey, have to learn how to ignore it. They take instructions from coaches, not fans. Player parents/friends need to be tough enough to not let it get to them too. Fan is short for fanatic and criticism has always been part of the deal an athlete or coach signs up for. Our guys are good people and we say that. Regularly. Some of them (like Trey) are difference makers in the world already as college kids. And we acknowledge that. Regularly. But when a team steps on the floor it’s going to take criticism when it doesn’t play well. Just the way it is and always has been. The players need to be mentally tough To let it roll off their backs, especially if they want to play on a D1 basketball team. I’ve heard worse criticism hurled at high school players vs what we complain about on here so I think we’re a pretty tame bunch. Try the Kentucky or iu fan forums.... Telling fans to sire and put their kid out there to earn having a voice is ridiculous. Fans are going to fan. Always have and We’re fans. Some of us on here are or have been coaches and understand the game pretty well. Some of us have or have had sons/daughters play organized sports and understand what all comes with that. And, don’t allude to some “situation with recruiting” as a reason for why our roster always seems to have a hole or weaknesses if you’re not going to explain just what that is. Are you saying the coach isn’t a good recruiter? Or that we aren’t cheating while everyone else is? Are we lacking some attractive attributes that draw the best players? Bsu seems to have plenty offer to basketball players, so What is it? Help us understand if you know. When I referred to the "situation recruiting was in" I meant what kids are looking for when recruited by ALL schools. 1. TV exposure. Its hard for BSU to compete for a 5 star when most of the games are on the internet versus national tv. With the addition of ESPN+, we have to pay $5 a month to watch games. 2. Shoe deals. Yes, BSU has a deal with NIKE but the deal is not on the level of a Kentucky, Duke, or IU. If you watch those teams, it seems to me that they wear a different pair of shoes each game.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 12, 2018 20:22:57 GMT -6
Your right but I do not think any of us expect to ever land a 5 star kid. The only way that ever ever happens is if we happen to get a local kid to stay home.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 12, 2018 21:13:45 GMT -6
Your right but I do not think any of us expect to ever land a 5 star kid. The only way that ever ever happens is if we happen to get a local kid to stay home. Like Ray's biggest recruiting coup. Except today with AAU ball and even more exposure, and bigger hype, that might not happen.
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Post by realitycheck on Dec 12, 2018 21:42:58 GMT -6
Not sure where you’re going to go and NOT find critics of a program. Living and dying with the success of their teams is what fans do. Players, such as Trey, have to learn how to ignore it. They take instructions from coaches, not fans. Player parents/friends need to be tough enough to not let it get to them too. Fan is short for fanatic and criticism has always been part of the deal an athlete or coach signs up for. Our guys are good people and we say that. Regularly. Some of them (like Trey) are difference makers in the world already as college kids. And we acknowledge that. Regularly. But when a team steps on the floor it’s going to take criticism when it doesn’t play well. Just the way it is and always has been. The players need to be mentally tough To let it roll off their backs, especially if they want to play on a D1 basketball team. I’ve heard worse criticism hurled at high school players vs what we complain about on here so I think we’re a pretty tame bunch. Try the Kentucky or iu fan forums.... Telling fans to sire and put their kid out there to earn having a voice is ridiculous. Fans are going to fan. Always have and We’re fans. Some of us on here are or have been coaches and understand the game pretty well. Some of us have or have had sons/daughters play organized sports and understand what all comes with that. And, don’t allude to some “situation with recruiting” as a reason for why our roster always seems to have a hole or weaknesses if you’re not going to explain just what that is. Are you saying the coach isn’t a good recruiter? Or that we aren’t cheating while everyone else is? Are we lacking some attractive attributes that draw the best players? Bsu seems to have plenty offer to basketball players, so What is it? Help us understand if you know. When I referred to the "situation recruiting was in" I meant what kids are looking for when recruited by ALL schools. 1. TV exposure. Its hard for BSU to compete for a 5 star when most of the games are on the internet versus national tv. With the addition of ESPN+, we have to pay $5 a month to watch games. 2. Shoe deals. Yes, BSU has a deal with NIKE but the deal is not on the level of a Kentucky, Duke, or IU. If you watch those teams, it seems to me that they wear a different pair of shoes each game. Tell that to poor ole Buffalo. They seem to have figured something out. Maybe recruiters just recruit and don’t pay attention to excuses.
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Post by bsutrack on Dec 12, 2018 22:44:10 GMT -6
When I referred to the "situation recruiting was in" I meant what kids are looking for when recruited by ALL schools. 1. TV exposure. Its hard for BSU to compete for a 5 star when most of the games are on the internet versus national tv. With the addition of ESPN+, we have to pay $5 a month to watch games. 2. Shoe deals. Yes, BSU has a deal with NIKE but the deal is not on the level of a Kentucky, Duke, or IU. If you watch those teams, it seems to me that they wear a different pair of shoes each game. Tell that to poor ole Buffalo. They seem to have figured something out. Maybe recruiters just recruit and don’t pay attention to excuses. Or they are just really good at finding guys overlooked by others. The following is an article of 5 such gems, one of them being Massingburg of Buffalo. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/25503203/how-college-stars-ended-mid-major-programs
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Post by lfbj00 on Dec 13, 2018 3:37:39 GMT -6
...Also we are only getting 27% of our scoring from three pointers which ranks 276th ( that is actually a small improvement over the last two seasons), so you guys who think Whitford can run an offense without bigs are delusional. But the question still yet to be answered is why, if you are a big man, would you want to come to play at Ball State? Over the last 4 seasons, a big man has only accounted for 19% of the shots taken in 111 games played. And by big man, I’m talking solely about Trey and Tahjai. If you want to add in Nate, DouDou, Brachen, and Blake, then you can add another 1% to make it an even 20%. It’s a waste of time as a big man to do nothing but set high motion picks.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 13, 2018 4:40:57 GMT -6
...Also we are only getting 27% of our scoring from three pointers which ranks 276th ( that is actually a small improvement over the last two seasons), so you guys who think Whitford can run an offense without bigs are delusional. But the question still yet to be answered is why, if you are a big man, would you want to come to play at Ball State? Over the last 4 seasons, a big man has only accounted for 19% of the shots taken in 111 games played. And by big man, I’m talking solely about Trey and Tahjai. If you want to add in Nate, DouDou, Brachen, and Blake, then you can add another 1% to make it an even 20%. It’s a waste of time as a big man to do nothing but set high motion picks. And you’ve hit on what some of us think is the main reason a good, true big/post doesn’t come to bsu. Whit doesn’t play through the post and doesn’t think basketball is played there anymore. So we end up with “stretch 4 types” who can’t play with their back to the basket and we don’t bulk up and play strong. Everything is high post, perimeter oriented, pick and pop type action or a guard driving and maybe finding a big on the baseline. So posts in our offense are left to set screens up top and roll. Or wait to clean up garbage. There’s no emphasis on getting a post touches or having a post demand the ball on the block. I would agree that today’s game is played more on the perimeter now with lots of iso. But in crunch time, when you absolutely need a bucket, or you’ve gone cold, or when you have an interior mismatch you could exploit, we haven’t had a guy down low to consistently go to who could power his way to a basket or foul shots. We don’t have interior strength to seal off the boards. It’s not how we play very often so why would a big kid who hopes to get touches in the paint come to bsu? What big wants to come knowing they’ll mostly be expected to pass out of the paint rather than use a set of post moves to score or rely on a dominant big fella? So, We get a Huggins, recruited by no one and not ready yet, and a Hendriks, who no one has heard of and also probably won’t be ready and seems more of a face the basket/play away from the basket guy. Because analytics.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 13, 2018 7:15:40 GMT -6
Or you could argue that big men are at such a premium, and so difficult to get, that Whit has adjusted the offense to play without a true center, lessening the need for one.
Chicken and the egg argument.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 13, 2018 7:29:03 GMT -6
I don’t even need a true center. Just a guy who can hit a damn layup in traffic when you really need a bucket, and and can guard the paint on defense. And has been pointed out, we aren’t that efficient in our chosen offense, we aren’t getting offensive rebounds, we are turning it over too much vs assists, and our opponents are getting more shots up. We aren’t even shooting 3’s that much due to a lack of shooters. And we’ve got opposing coaches telling their guys we’re soft inside and to attack us there. We are easy to dribble drive on, plus other teams somehow manage to find effective interior players that hurt us with our weak and mostly skinny front line. We’ve got guys playing out of position every year. So who’s adjusted to what?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 8:00:24 GMT -6
I’m still waiting on the long-time AZ connection to send Whit a ”recruiting-bone” that might fill the big man vacancy.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 13, 2018 8:24:05 GMT -6
Honestly I’d be happy with a strong 6’7 kid who won’t get pushed around. There are 6’5 kids who bully us. That shouldn’t happen.
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Post by realitycheck on Dec 13, 2018 8:46:38 GMT -6
Yeah, I think talent evaluation is still called recruiting.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 13, 2018 8:47:57 GMT -6
You can give credit for selecting kids with good chances. But, these kids had some risk or they'd have had more offers. I don't think excuses have much to do with it. They hit when they took risks.
Buffalo has churned their roster a bit, used JUCO recruits, and hit on several there. With athletic HS players they probably not only did a decent job of player development but in a few cases won a bet on a risky kid who was not a sure thing but came through.
20-20 hindsight is great. They look like genius recruiters, but no coach will deny you just have to hit the lotto a few times on kids with potential that come through.
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Post by sweep on Dec 13, 2018 8:53:36 GMT -6
You can give credit for selecting kids with good chances. But, these kids had some risk or they'd have had more offers. I don't think excuses have much to do with it. They hit when they took risks.
Buffalo has churned their roster a bit, used JUCO recruits, and hit on several there. With athletic HS players they probably not only did a decent job of player development but in a few cases won a bet on a risky kid who was not a sure thing but came through.
20-20 hindsight is great. They look like genius recruiters, but no coach will deny you just have to hit the lotto a few times on kids with potential that come through.
Yeah because Whitford isn't more than willing to reach in the knucklehead pile to sign guys. Good Lord, we hired a guy who worked for Sean "Thug Ball" Miller and you want to throw stones at Buffalo.
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