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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 10:49:15 GMT -6
1. Whitford is a methodical program builder and Cardinals are set to become a MAC dynasty 2. Whitford has targeted this class to resume’ build his way to fame and fortune, he leaves: 2a. Ball State leverages recent success and lands a qualified replacement who builds upon program 2b. Ball State hires replacement, program slumps and message board blames Whitford’s lack of recruiting 3. This season is Whit’s high water mark, he stays, Cardinals slump back to mediocrity
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Post by sweep on Jan 6, 2019 11:00:48 GMT -6
Three is not only the most likely, but highly probable. Whitford will almost certainly ask for another extension after this season.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 6, 2019 12:12:19 GMT -6
None are exactly right. For example, in 1 "MAC dynasty" might be better phrased as "regularly among top programs."
Something like 2 seems most likely. Although relatively modest success might lead to a better job than BSU. If Whit leaves who can be sure which branch. The good one possible when it was not, has not been, since Ronnie. 2 is surely part of every coaches plan, with the results of a coach leaving whenever he does creating chance for the administration to screw up. A real fear!
Worst case we hire another guy on the cheap and lose ground gained.
3 seems the least likely. Possible a coach settles in, sure, but not happening all that often anymore, and it's never that a school is happy when it settles. It's what they do that is the issue. Invest to improve, or just churn? Again, that's where administration defies logic too often. Or feels constrained by budget. Or football, or other factors outside basketball performance issues.
Our greatest fear is always that the institution really doesn't care. Willing to act like they do, not be serious.
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Post by david75bsu on Jan 6, 2019 12:40:54 GMT -6
I see Whit’ staying and continuing to get Indiana All-Stars and a rare big from out of state. We continue at a high MAC and mid--major level as should be the case. Life goes on at ole Ball U.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 6, 2019 12:45:14 GMT -6
I hope that “high Mac level” includes a championship at some point. Or, more than one tourney win at least. Otherwise it doesn’t mean much.
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Post by sweep on Jan 6, 2019 13:30:30 GMT -6
None are exactly right. For example, in 1 "MAC dynasty" might be better phrased as "regularly among top programs." Something like 2 seems most likely. Although relatively modest success might lead to a better job than BSU. If Whit leaves who can be sure which branch. The good one possible when it was not, has not been, since Ronnie. 2 is surely part of every coaches plan, with the results of a coach leaving whenever he does creating chance for the administration to screw up. A real fear! Worst case we hire another guy on the cheap and lose ground gained. 3 seems the least likely. Possible a coach settles in, sure, but not happening all that often anymore, and it's never that a school is happy when it settles. It's what they do that is the issue. Invest to improve, or just churn? Again, that's where administration defies logic too often. Or feels constrained by budget. Or football, or other factors outside basketball performance issues. Our greatest fear is always that the institution really doesn't care. Willing to act like they do, not be serious. Seriously, no one is going to hire Whitford until he wins an NCAA tourney game. I don't see that happening anytime soon. The guy has two wins over a season's end Top 100. Where do you think he is going to go ? We got pounded by Alabama who is probably a bubble team at best.
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Post by universityjim on Jan 6, 2019 13:51:12 GMT -6
I'm sure he thinks 1 is true and I hope he is correct. I don't think we will slump back to mediocrity with him as our coach but we might not be as good as we are this year. Especially next year since there isn't a clear replacement for Moses and we are losing our floor general.
Someone would need to know Whitford's aspirations to have an educated guess at the others. I would hope we could leverage success into a very strong candidate. This AD hasn't had a major hire yet so it's hard to have faith yet.
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Post by sweep on Jan 6, 2019 14:03:23 GMT -6
I'm sure he thinks 1 is true and I hope he is correct. I don't think we will slump back to mediocrity with him as our coach but we might not be as good as we are this year. Especially next year since there isn't a clear replacement for Moses and we are losing our floor general. Someone would need to know Whitford's aspirations to have an educated guess at the others. I would hope we could leverage success into a very strong candidate. This AD hasn't had a major hire yet so it's hard to have faith yet. We finished last season in the 170's we were mediocre at best.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 6, 2019 14:31:03 GMT -6
3 seems the least likely. Possible a coach settles in, sure, but not happening all that often anymore, and it's never that a school is happy when it settles. It's what they do that is the issue. Invest to improve, or just churn? Again, that's where administration defies logic too often. Or feels constrained by budget. Or football, or other factors outside basketball performance issues. Our greatest fear is always that the institution really doesn't care. Willing to act like they do, not be serious. Seriously, no one is going to hire Whitford until he wins an NCAA tourney game. I don't see that happening anytime soon. The guy has two wins over a season's end Top 100. Where do you think he is going to go ? We got pounded by Alabama who is probably a bubble team at best. I disagree. But if he does stay longer term, I don't see why we would regress, apart from the occasional season where we stumble or need to rebuild.
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Post by sweep on Jan 6, 2019 14:41:09 GMT -6
Seriously, no one is going to hire Whitford until he wins an NCAA tourney game. I don't see that happening anytime soon. The guy has two wins over a season's end Top 100. Where do you think he is going to go ? We got pounded by Alabama who is probably a bubble team at best. I disagree. But if he does stay longer term, I don't see why we would regress, apart from the occasional season where we stumble or need to rebuild. Really, so you think the 170's aren't typical. This season is atypical and the best team we have beaten is Indiana State.
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Post by david75bsu on Jan 6, 2019 14:52:21 GMT -6
I hope that “high Mac level” includes a championship at some point. Or, more than one tourney win at least. Otherwise it doesn’t mean much. Every three to four years - at minimum.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 6, 2019 14:53:46 GMT -6
I disagree. But if he does stay longer term, I don't see why we would regress, apart from the occasional season where we stumble or need to rebuild. Really, so you think the 170's aren't typical. This season is atypical and the best team we have beaten is Indiana State. I do not think the crap that happened second half of the season with players was typical. I think we have improved over Whit's time,see no reason for us to reverse our direction.
Also think Loyola and Toledo are better than ISU. Our road wins were good wins. I am not predicting he breaks into high D1 schools without doing more, but he will have better jobs than BSU offered if he continues to win here.
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Post by sweep on Jan 6, 2019 15:06:16 GMT -6
I hope that “high Mac level” includes a championship at some point. Or, more than one tourney win at least. Otherwise it doesn’t mean much. Every three to four years - at minimum. We aren't even close to bringing in the type of four year recruits we would need to be a legit tourney team.
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Post by david75bsu on Jan 6, 2019 15:23:44 GMT -6
Every three to four years - at minimum. We aren't even close to bringing in the type of four year recruits we would need to be a legit tourney team. All you have to do is win the MAC Tournment to be a tourney team.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 6, 2019 15:29:33 GMT -6
I am going to have to disagree with halftime on this one. I think some team will reach and give him a shot. Im not sure it would be a great move for what ever school it might be but I really believe it will happen. Im not thinking it will be a power house team but more of a lateral move to a school who will pay more.
The question we will then have is to we pony up and pay 400-500 for a "better" version of whit.. Spend 260-300 on a reroll and hope for the best or promote Grunk and give him 325-350
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