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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 7, 2019 12:01:09 GMT -6
Rising tide lifting all the boats in terms of TV.
Not when there's a hole in the bottom.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jan 7, 2019 12:05:52 GMT -6
FWIW, OOC home attendance averages:
2018-19: 3521 2017-18: 3354 2016-17: 2805 2015-16: 2474 2014-15: 2685 2013-14: 3428 2012-13: 2984 2011-12: 3830* *skewed by hosting Butler with 8,412 2010-11: 3127
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Post by redbirdman on Jan 7, 2019 12:27:49 GMT -6
I think we all would agree BSU for probably our lifetimes anyway will not see attendance like the early 90s. My opinion is that we can only get average over 4,000 by getting a home game with Butler, PU or IU on the schedule. Odds of getting them in Muncie are nil unless we start returning to NCAA tournaments frequently.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 7, 2019 12:35:13 GMT -6
Since Ray McCallum left, we've probably won around 250 games. The Maui wins created some excitement, but then again we were still coasting on recent NCAA tourney appearances and success at that point. None of the other 250 wins gained us jack squat in fan support, and thus the fanbase and attendance has dwindled to a pathetic rump of what it used to be.
I believe we would have been better off with half as many wins, but a couple NCAA appearances. An NCAA win is worth probably 100 regular season wins in getting the attention of prospective fans. Butlers regular season wins did very little for them, but their tourney runs are why half the kids at my local high school own some sort of Butler gear.
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Post by bsu0 on Jan 7, 2019 13:19:47 GMT -6
The NCAA tournament with their 68 team format if the only stat that means anything.
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Post by sweep on Jan 7, 2019 13:52:39 GMT -6
Since Ray McCallum left, we've probably won around 250 games. The Maui wins created some excitement, but then again we were still coasting on recent NCAA tourney appearances and success at that point. None of the other 250 wins gained us jack squat in fan support, and thus the fanbase and attendance has dwindled to a pathetic rump of what it used to be.
I believe we would have been better off with half as many wins, but a couple NCAA appearances. An NCAA win is worth probably 100 regular season wins in getting the attention of prospective fans. Butlers regular season wins did very little for them, but their tourney runs are why half the kids at my local high school own some sort of Butler gear. Look at it this way, had Butler not pulled out a narrow, at the wire, two point win over Old Dominion in the first round of the 2011 Tourney (to open the door to their second final four), there is no way in hell they would be in Big East right now. Tourney wins are absolutely essential in building both a brand and sustainable program.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 7, 2019 14:02:56 GMT -6
The problem is each win might gain 100 fans but then 1 loss loses them all. You have to go on a significant home streak so that the one loss does not kill momentum. Our problem lately especially with students is some of our best basketball has occurred over break
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Post by sweep on Jan 7, 2019 14:10:46 GMT -6
The problem is each win might gain 100 fans but then 1 loss loses them all. You have to go on a significant home streak so that the one loss does not kill momentum. Our problem lately especially with students is some of our best basketball has occurred over break I think if we hadn't shit the bed in Charleston the crowds would be better.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 7, 2019 14:35:04 GMT -6
We just haven’t been able to beat a name team and get a win that makes fans go, whoa, I gotta go see our team play. No, beating Loyola didn’t register much outside of this board. We have to beat a Purdue, a Virginia Tech, an Alabama to get the “ on the fence” fans to take notice. Whit doesn’t have any signature wins other than ND last year and that one wore off pretty quickly with the disciplinary issues and getting hammered by buffalo right off the bat in January and then fading late.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2019 15:24:21 GMT -6
FWIW, OOC home attendance averages: 2018-19: 3521 2017-18: 3354 2016-17: 2805 2015-16: 2474 2014-15: 2685 2013-14: 3428 2012-13: 2984 2011-12: 3830* *skewed by hosting Butler with 8,412 2010-11: 3127 Yeah. Looks like winning teams and slightly better promotion has helped a little from a low point 2015-16.
Not bad considering how few good teams have been scheduled the last few years.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2019 15:25:55 GMT -6
I think we all would agree BSU for probably our lifetimes anyway will not see attendance like the early 90s. My opinion is that we can only get average over 4,000 by getting a home game with Butler, PU or IU on the schedule. Odds of getting them in Muncie are nil unless we start returning to NCAA tournaments frequently. That would guarantee we don't see them...
Help with TV though.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 7, 2019 15:28:11 GMT -6
I think we all would agree BSU for probably our lifetimes anyway will not see attendance like the early 90s. My opinion is that we can only get average over 4,000 by getting a home game with Butler, PU or IU on the schedule. Odds of getting them in Muncie are nil unless we start returning to NCAA tournaments frequently. That would guarantee we don't see them...
Help with TV though.
I agree they are not coming here if we have any shot of beating them
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2019 15:29:06 GMT -6
The problem is each win might gain 100 fans but then 1 loss loses them all. You have to go on a significant home streak so that the one loss does not kill momentum. Our problem lately especially with students is some of our best basketball has occurred over break I think if we hadn't shit the bed in Charleston the crowds would be better. Doubt it. We haven't had a very good home schedule to draw. Maybe a few more students, but I doubt they knew one way or the other what the results were anyway. The biggest gain is if we can increase season ticket sales, anyway, and that is before results were known there.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2019 15:40:50 GMT -6
We just haven’t been able to beat a name team and get a win that makes fans go, whoa, I gotta go see our team play. No, beating Loyola didn’t register much outside of this board. We have to beat a Purdue, a Virginia Tech, an Alabama to get the “ on the fence” fans to take notice. Whit doesn’t have any signature wins other than ND last year and that one wore off pretty quickly with the disciplinary issues and getting hammered by buffalo right off the bat in January and then fading late. I doubt the level of fan we have in our market even knew who we played or would have heard about a win other than Purdue, at Purdue. You seem to think a lot of people are out there who even marginally follow BSU.
Unfortunately, we'd need the word to get out, and even then that pool of "on the fence" fans is pretty small.
Demographics for our market are very bad and that plus students are factors more important. Product could be much better not just a little, and the gain in gate would be less than you seem to think.
A whole season of wins and a tournament victory might result in better press coverage and maybe then we penetrate the population awareness, but I believe not only is the total population with time and leisure spending an option small, but among those there are an even smaller number of fans out there "on the fence."
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Post by cardfan on Jan 7, 2019 15:52:16 GMT -6
We may as well just give up then I guess as apparently there is no hope of success with any bsu team for any reason and no fans will ever come again.
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