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Post by sweep on Jan 7, 2019 16:13:08 GMT -6
We may as well just give up then I guess as apparently there is no hope of success with any bsu team for any reason and no fans will ever come again. Yeah it's pretty obvious Ball State fans are too stupid to look at a schedule. 00 is off his meds again.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2019 16:48:51 GMT -6
We may as well just give up then I guess as apparently there is no hope of success with any bsu team for any reason and no fans will ever come again. Yeah it's pretty obvious Ball State fans are too stupid to look at a schedule. 00 is off his meds again. They look at home schedule when buying season ticket. Not fans are dumb, but not many of them, and not many out there not fans.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 7, 2019 17:22:08 GMT -6
There are 21,000 on the fence fans on campus. That’s who needs to be won over.
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Post by sweep on Jan 7, 2019 17:33:56 GMT -6
There are 21,000 on the fence fans on campus. That’s who needs to be won over. Yeah and probably another 10,000 Alumni living in Hamilton County who could drive to Muncie in about a half hour.
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 7, 2019 17:42:42 GMT -6
Like the Grunk idea if Whit bolts. More of a Butler type move. We will be really good again next year in my view....20+ wins
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 7, 2019 17:47:20 GMT -6
Like the Grunk idea if Whit bolts. More of a Butler type move. We will be really good again next year in my view....20+ wins Heck yeah! If Grunk can have just half the success of Whitford, he'll win...let's see.... a half a Mac tourney game in 6 years. Yeah, just like Butler!
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2019 17:47:58 GMT -6
There are 21,000 on the fence fans on campus. That’s who needs to be won over. I don't think so. Not sure there are many even close to the fence to win over...
Students are just not very interested in sports relative to that heyday we are comparing. They come in without being fans of HS basketball, they have lots of entertainment options we never had on game night. Some other college teams they have more interest in, if they are sports fans.
Students are not dumb, but they don't read newspapers, don't watch TV news or sports.
Promotion on social media can bring out crowd by making games a bigger deal. That is possible. Not sure winning is always the key there, but the free dogs and the presence of national TV cameras might be. But we need a big game opponent, or a MAC championship, or high rated opponent. Or, friends from other state schools coming to campus.
But TV is not coming for very many games, our OC schedule always includes games with no students on campus, and is not strong or attractive. Assume we get them there for a big game or two. Even a few thousand more students at big games doesn't go far in boosting attendance average.
AND. They don't produce revenue even if we got more there, so although I want the section full, my point is that bang for the buck is not there. So investing in winning them over.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 7, 2019 17:58:21 GMT -6
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 7, 2019 17:59:12 GMT -6
Actually, I liken our situation more to UCLA, where subsequent coaches were compared to the impossible standard of John Wooden. After Whitford's incredible run of 1 tourney win in 6 years, BSU fans are completely spoiled and will expect to win a MAC tourney EVERY six years....which is just not realistic.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2019 18:02:34 GMT -6
There are 21,000 on the fence fans on campus. That’s who needs to be won over. Yeah and probably another 10,000 Alumni living in Hamilton County who could drive to Muncie in about a half hour. Yes that is part of it, although a warm and fuzzy Whitford, or a win in preseason won't do much there. Lousy press coverage in that area. Not so easy as connecting in any way with connecting students. Many when they were students here had no interest.
Those 10K alumni are the targets. I agree. Still. Many do not care, never did, and are not likely to be won over. Suddenly converted to sports fans, basketball fans? Most have families. We can't compete with family obligations and work on week nights.
Plus. They are in Hamilton County because they are centered on Indy and will be inundated with Indy events. There is a lot of competition for entertainment dollars there.
Also not a half hour for most, maybe getting back, but trying to get home from work, get ready, feed kids, it is very hard for them to come on a week night. Hard to get back and get kids to bed.
Only slightly better on a Saturday. In any case VERY few season tickets will be sold to them. In any case we need big games on our schedule, they aren't coming to see the visiting teams we are getting.
I want attendance too, but without Muncie attendance we never reach those heyday figures, even come close.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2019 18:06:40 GMT -6
Actually, I liken our situation more to UCLA, where subsequent coaches were compared to the impossible standard of John Wooden. After Whitford's incredible run of 1 tourney win in 6 years, BSU fans are completely spoiled and will expect to win a MAC tourney EVERY six years....which is just not realistic. When exactly in BSU history were we Westwood? That was not Jack Nicholson coming to the BSU games in the heyday. It wasn't even Sammy Terry.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 7, 2019 18:51:41 GMT -6
I have to disagree with you here 00mh there are a lot of marginal BSU "fans". You can prove this to yourself by searching "ball State" on twitter during or the first couple hours after a Ball State game. The challenge is getting these types of fans back to Worthern to go to a game. Each game we win the amount of tweets and people tweeting about BSU increases. Now this type of fan is fair weather that why stringing wins together is important. They are interested right now but if we lose to eastern tomorrow half of them are gone. Win and that type of fan numbers will grow again. Someone has to find away to get them to a game though
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Post by cardfan on Jan 7, 2019 18:56:38 GMT -6
I have to disagree with you here 00mh there are a lot of marginal BSU "fans". You can prove this to yourself by searching "ball State" on twitter during or the first couple hours after a Ball State game. The challenge is getting these types of fans back to Worthern to go to a game. Each game we win the amount of tweets and people tweeting about BSU increases. Now this type of fan is fair weather that why stringing wins together is important. They are interested right now but if we lose to eastern tomorrow half of them are gone. Win and that type of fan numbers will grow again. Someone has to find away to get them to a game though Exactly. They are out there. They just need to believe the product is that good, and will remain that good, and not have our patented collapses, especially against bad teams. If they can trust and believe that they’ll start coming. Earn an ncaa berth for the first time since electricity was invented and they’ll start to actual attend games. Yes I know, injuries and no depth and we’ve been to the ncaa tourney since electricity was invented and we can’t pay good coaches and all that.
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Post by redbirdman on Jan 7, 2019 19:03:23 GMT -6
Best way to increase attendance in Basketball & Football is relocate the campus in say Fishers. But realistically getting the average basketball figures above 4 k are winning program & somehow getting a yrly h date w IU,PU or BU and in FB above 12 k will only happen with a winning program & playing all games on weekends w 95% Saturdays. I would call it Mission Impossible!
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Post by cardfan on Jan 7, 2019 19:06:51 GMT -6
I refuse to believe we can’t get 4K students out of 21k into that building on a somewhat regular basis. We’ve gotten that many to football games when the team was good. (As many as 8 k on a couple occasions). The arena is actually on campus AND it’s indoors. Weather not a major factor. Really lame if we can’t find ways to get more students in the building.
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