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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 10, 2019 12:06:11 GMT -6
Brissett doesn't have the toughness to be a starting QB in the NFL.
After the Houston loss, he walked out of the post game press conference, and after the loss to the Titans, he was pretty hostile to reporters. (Although I will say that Greg Doyel is a gaping a-hole.)
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Post by cardfan on Dec 10, 2019 12:20:44 GMT -6
I agree that Brissett has not been Impressive in the face of tough questions and criticism. And he wilts in 4th qtrs with the game on the line.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Dec 13, 2019 7:54:39 GMT -6
Sherm, serious question for you.
You seem to be in touch with the valuation of draft picks. Let's assume the Colts end up with say the #11 overall pick. If they package that pick, and say the Redskins second round pick (I think it should land at like #34), what value could they expect to get back from those two picks? Top 6, top 3? What if they add their own second round pick into the deal?
I don't see the Colts packaging picks to trade up, but it's an interesting thought exercise if nothing else.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 13, 2019 9:11:26 GMT -6
Trade up for who?
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 13, 2019 9:35:35 GMT -6
Sherm, serious question for you. You seem to be in touch with the valuation of draft picks. Let's assume the Colts end up with say the #11 overall pick. If they package that pick, and say the Redskins second round pick (I think it should land at like #34), what value could they expect to get back from those two picks? Top 6, top 3? What if they add their own second round pick into the deal? I don't see the Colts packaging picks to trade up, but it's an interesting thought exercise if nothing else. You can be just as in touch as I am by referencing this site: linkLooks like the 11th overall pick plus the 34th overall pick are about equivalent to the 4th overall pick. But of course in a particular given year, the owner of the 4th pick may have absolutely no interest in trading. Brissett isn't terrible...he seems to be around the 20th best QB or so. That's probably about good enough to get you a wild card from time to time, but whenever you get in the playoffs, each round you'll almost always be facing a superior player at the most important position on the field. So, I think QB is absolutely the colt's top priority, and they need to explore whatever scenario necessary to land the talent they need there. I don't watch nearly enough film to make intelligent comments on which college QB's might be worth what draft capital....but common sense tells you that's the priority. |
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Dec 13, 2019 13:43:41 GMT -6
Sherm, serious question for you. You seem to be in touch with the valuation of draft picks. Let's assume the Colts end up with say the #11 overall pick. If they package that pick, and say the Redskins second round pick (I think it should land at like #34), what value could they expect to get back from those two picks? Top 6, top 3? What if they add their own second round pick into the deal? I don't see the Colts packaging picks to trade up, but it's an interesting thought exercise if nothing else. You can be just as in touch as I am by referencing this site: linkLooks like the 11th overall pick plus the 34th overall pick are about equivalent to the 4th overall pick. But of course in a particular given year, the owner of the 4th pick may have absolutely no interest in trading. Brissett isn't terrible...he seems to be around the 20th best QB or so. That's probably about good enough to get you a wild card from time to time, but whenever you get in the playoffs, each round you'll almost always be facing a superior player at the most important position on the field. So, I think QB is absolutely the colt's top priority, and they need to explore whatever scenario necessary to land the talent they need there. I don't watch nearly enough film to make intelligent comments on which college QB's might be worth what draft capital....but common sense tells you that's the priority. Thanks for the link. I too don't know who the prevailing top QBs are in CFB right now either, outside of what the prognosticators say about guys like Burrows and the QB from Oregon. I'm not sure any of them are worth giving up 3 picks in the first and second, but like you, I don't watch enough to know if I'm full of shit. If I were a betting man, my guess is the Colts stand behind Brissett and point to the injuries, lack of a consistent kicking game, and it being his first year where he was asked to be the true team leader (not just a guy traded for and given the job cause Luck's entire body imploded, but knew he was going to be a backup when Luck returned), as a reason to stick with him through next season. If they can get a TRUE playmaking WR, a space eating DT, and some hidden value with their own second round pick (a round the Colts seem to excel in for whatever reason), I can see this team being loads better in 2020. All that, of course, hinges on the Colts medical staff being able to prevent, properly diagnose, and treat injuries throughout the season. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 13, 2019 15:17:32 GMT -6
Steep price and still no sure thing.
Reasonable to draft a QB with potential in 3rd or 4th round.
Brisset may work out. Might win the gamble on a late round. If both fail make a trade.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 16, 2019 7:52:42 GMT -6
Injuries definitely derailed what started out (the first 7 games) as a really good year. Hilton is such a huge loss, and the other receivers just never picked up the slack. Ebron was largely ineffective, and Vinatieri... well, just sucked.
This draft is loaded with WRs with 6 or 7 first rounders possible. If Lamb (Oklahoma) is there, I'd go with him. Jeudy and Ruggs (Alabama) will likely be gone.
Maybe 4 first round QBs: Burrows (LSU), Herbert (Oregon), Eason (Washington)... and with Tua's injury, a lot of teams may pass on him. It was a freak injury, but I don't know that I'd pick him.
If he's available in the second round, I'd take a flier on Fromm (Georgia). Much more upside than Brissett.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 16, 2019 8:58:58 GMT -6
The Colts seem to be mostly a best player available team. If there is a lot of WR talent that does sound logical. But if a top talent at any position drops to their pick, they will take him.
This year could be a year to depart from that philosophy since they have some draft capital. To me more likely if they trade up to do it where a high second round QB pick is available then. Still think they will ride Brisset, maybe draft a later round QB who they hope is a sleeper or at least backup material or longer term development where the Brisset experiment fails. Then if it does fail, they can take a shot at a FA, or also has a number of 1st round pick QB talents in the next year.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 16, 2019 9:42:47 GMT -6
The only way they shouldn't get a QB in the first round is if there simply is nobody there that they have any belief in. Obviously you aren't going to get total certainty in the middle of the round and only a complete idiot would make that the standard for a QB selection. Brissett, on the other hand, is a known NFL quantity now and another year with him is just a lost year. Hoping for an above average starting QB in free agency is like hoping for that quality juco big man in the spring......it's for losers.
A loss tonight would be a nice help in draft position. I count 13 teams currently within one game of the Colts. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 16, 2019 10:06:22 GMT -6
Not like drafting a QB is ever a sure thing, though. Or being able to trade up high enough.
Colts with healthy Brissett are a playoff team. Sure, not without Hilton and good receivers. Got hit hard there this year.
A high draft pick QB would not have helped.
Good bet to be able to improve with BPA draft. If wrong try again next year.
Trade up and no Luck, so to speak, and it would be hard to fix that next year.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 16, 2019 10:32:37 GMT -6
You seem to have a absolute fetish for mediocrity
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 16, 2019 11:32:36 GMT -6
Shooting for playoffs with two chances to move up to the top tier. Not mediocre.
Gamble on Brisset and a good draft to improve this year. If that doesn't work....he isn't good enough...then gamble on draft.
Better to me than going all in on a mediocre and probably costly gamble on this draft. Also. I do not agree Brisset is as bad you think.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 16, 2019 12:27:02 GMT -6
Do you figure Brissett needs 7 years before we can make a determination? That's your plan with basketball coaches, after all.
Brissett is not a gamble. Brissett is settling for about the 20th best QB in the league. With him, some fairly good injury luck and winning a few close games, you can reasonably hope for a low end playoff seed and being the underdog in every playoff game.
With Brissett, the colts are set up for many years of future...existence. |
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Post by cardfan on Dec 16, 2019 12:41:40 GMT -6
Brissett can’t pull through trigger with games on the line. Luck could. If cited it didn’t help that the colts stubbornly and stupidly stuck with Vinny when it was apparent on day 1 he wasn’t right. But during this collapse the colts had 4th qtr chances in all and Brissett couldn’t get it done. (Pitt and Miami excepted).
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