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Akron
Jan 13, 2020 6:53:07 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 13, 2020 6:53:07 GMT -6
NIT might be harder to get to than NCAA for MAC.
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Akron
Jan 13, 2020 8:41:21 GMT -6
Post by david75bsu on Jan 13, 2020 8:41:21 GMT -6
Looking at ESPN projections they see us with a solid 19 wins and two toss ups. Probably would agree for the most part. This doesn’t get us to the NCAA or the NIT. Hoping for better, but hard to think Whit can come up to that potential.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 13, 2020 8:59:37 GMT -6
To get to twenty wins, we need to go 10-5 the rest of the way and win at least one tournament game. Possible. Again, when we shoot well the outcome is generally good. When we don't you've seen the result. We need Walton back and healthy because Thompson is not an offensive threat and the freshmen guards are going to struggle at times.
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Akron
Jan 13, 2020 10:04:56 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Jan 13, 2020 10:04:56 GMT -6
I do not see us firing a coach who gets to the MAC tourney and ends up with a top 3 MAC record and 20 wins. Not as long as the team is without scandal or academic failings or the coach "losing" his team for some reason.
Assuming Whitford is not everything they might want, it is easy to see them accepting that even if they agreed with prevailing theory here that sees him short of likely winning the MAC. Just isn't the urgency or the budget.
I am sure Mike Neu who had much less success, did not do everything the AD wanted this year. What response? They no doubt encouraged the coaching changes, yet they not only did not fire him but whatever the change made did not give him resources to improve, instead effectively cut resources for coaching.
In even an average budget climate things might be different. Or in some scenario that paid for the investment. Might then hear the refrain that the coach had served the University well but we wanted to go in a different direction...
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Akron
Jan 13, 2020 10:12:40 GMT -6
Post by david75bsu on Jan 13, 2020 10:12:40 GMT -6
I do not see us firing a coach who gets to the MAC tourney and ends up with a top 3 MAC record and 20 wins. Not as long as the team is without scandal or academic failings or the coach "losing" his team for some reason. Assuming Whitford is not everything they might want, it is easy to see them accepting that even if they agreed with prevailing theory here that sees him short of likely winning the MAC. Just isn't the urgency or the budget. I am sure Mike Neu who had much less success, did not do everything the AD wanted this year. What response? They no doubt encouraged the coaching changes, yet they not only did not fire him but whatever the change made did not give him resources to improve, instead effectively cut resources for coaching. In even an average budget climate things might be different. Or in some scenario that paid for the investment. Might then hear the refrain that the coach had served the University well but we wanted to go in a different direction... Sad, but probably true. As for his contract extension we have seen nothing.
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Post by reevo on Jan 13, 2020 16:17:16 GMT -6
Too many on here live in the moment. I look at his 7 years: 98-112 & 43-68 in the MAC. YOYO years, no consistency, unless we go to the NCAA tournament, the Whitford era needs to end. This guy is mediocre at best. We should demand better.
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 13, 2020 18:18:30 GMT -6
I like Whit as a human being and I believe he does pretty good job with discipline and grades as well as developing the players as human beings. I'm big on continuity and sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't know....not saying he's a devil. If he has a year in which he improves the record, goes to the MAC final or better, etc. I have some difficulty getting rid of him and the staff.
I simply know that our staff gets little credit from this board for anything..... as an example, did you know that Teague who has often been criticized by many people including me....was recently pulled from the starting line up... Whit had a serious talk with Teague, and since back Teague has been on fire....this is a fact!! Never any credit to Whit....anyone can find the faults in anything or anyone.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 13, 2020 19:18:15 GMT -6
Why does our coach deserve credit for holding our senior leader accountable? That is one of the most basic principles of leadership. I’m not criticizing him for it but I’m not gonna praise him for doing a basic part of his job either. What is so special about that?
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Post by cardfan on Jan 13, 2020 19:47:23 GMT -6
Really glad whit did that. One could ask why it didn’t happen sooner though. Or why it needed to happen at all with a senior who’s supposed to be a leader.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 13, 2020 20:11:29 GMT -6
Why does our coach deserve credit for holding our senior leader accountable? That is one of the most basic principles of leadership. I’m not criticizing him for it but I’m not gonna praise him for doing a basic part of his job either. What is so special about that? Agree with Reality here Kid. Kinda what we were talking about earlier about you taking the ordinary and trying to convince others that it is somehow extraordinary.
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Akron
Jan 13, 2020 20:31:48 GMT -6
Post by CallingBS on Jan 13, 2020 20:31:48 GMT -6
Further, why is this STILL a problem with a senior? Remember Jeremie Tyler? It's pretty easy to argue that Whit doesn't develop anyone...problems just linger and get worse.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 13, 2020 20:37:55 GMT -6
I am sure Mike Neu who had much less success, did not do everything the AD wanted this year. What response? They no doubt encouraged the coaching changes, yet they not only did not fire him but whatever the change made did not give him resources to improve, instead effectively cut resources for coaching. At least 2 difference between Whitford and Neu. Neu at least trended upward last year. Whitford declined last year, and though the MAC season has shown promise this year, the pre-conference season was meh. Nothing yet to convince others that he has more to offer than what we have seen. He loses four seniors, including his 2 starting front-line players, and has recruited nobody. There are bodies on the bench but none of them play so the outlook beyond this year is questionable at best. The football team returns many significant pieces. It's possible Neu's presence might be tied to donations for the new indoor practice facility. Neu appears to be more engaging and thus an asset to the university and athletic department in things like fund-raising and community engagement. Whitford appears withdrawn.
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Akron
Jan 13, 2020 20:40:31 GMT -6
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Post by CallingBS on Jan 13, 2020 20:40:31 GMT -6
I am sure Mike Neu who had much less success, did not do everything the AD wanted this year. What response? They no doubt encouraged the coaching changes, yet they not only did not fire him but whatever the change made did not give him resources to improve, instead effectively cut resources for coaching. At least 2 difference between Whitford and Neu. Neu at least trended upward last year. Whitford declined last year, and though the MAC season has shown promise this year, the pre-conference season was meh. Nothing yet to convince others that he has more to offer than what we have seen. He loses four seniors, including his 2 starting front-line players, and has recruited nobody. There are bodies on the bench but none of them play so the outlook beyond this year is questionable at best. The football team returns many significant pieces. It's possible Neu's presence might be tied to donations for the new indoor practice facility. Neu appears to be more engaging and thus an asset to the university and athletic department in things like fund-raising and community engagement. Whitford appears withdrawn. I agree with you except on your statement about Neu being engaged. He is all about football and that team. He is not engaged with the community or campus.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 13, 2020 20:54:43 GMT -6
I agree with you except on your statement about Neu being engaged. He is all about football and that team. He is not engaged with the community or campus. You're probably right. My statement was more perception than reality and I should have said Neu appears "to me" to be more engaging ... I can picture Neu glad-handing potential donors, chatting them up about glory days and MAC Championships, homecoming comebacks. Dropping names like Drew Brees, Willie Snead, Sean Payton. But maybe he doesn't do any of that. Maybe Whitford does more of that but he does appear very reclusive and uncommunicative.
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Akron
Jan 13, 2020 21:22:21 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 21:22:21 GMT -6
Fine human being, <50% wins....🤷♂️
I can only assume he’s bringing in loads of $$ donations to tip the scales in his favor 🤔.......
.....or, maybe not.
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