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Post by 00hmh on Apr 26, 2020 13:16:19 GMT -6
Nobody will argue that QB, LT and WR are generally the valuable guys and long term you need all three. So let's look at a 3 drafts where instead of the trade you used #13 pick. 1. QB. The Colts when they signed Rivers AND kept Brisset were saying that there would not be a reasonably certain franchise QB at that pick. Trading up was going to get Herbert or perhaps Tua. Neither is a long term sure thing, both have serious question marks. The Colts were probably right. 2. LT The 49's took an OT with that spot. So the Colts chose a very nearly sure thing in an all-pro DT that they consider a keystone in their defensive system. They had signed their own LT, have a good young RT who may be able to move over and have at least a year to wait until they could use the draft pick . In the short term Colts are ahead of the game. In the longer term, there is an argument on it but not a clear one. 3. WR. The Colts could indeed have signed a better WR, but they did get a very good one. Is the difference worth giving up that DT they got in the trade? How much better a WR do you get? How much gain to we get with the trade? In all three cases, short term the Colts decision is a good one. The longer term is not completely clear either. The draft vs trade argument is here largely about uncertainty. A #13 draft pick at QB is one that doesn't pay off in many cases. It is pretty uncertain. The odds they get a good #13 LT or WR are higher probability but in both cases the gain is not as great as it looks since Pittman and a good LT are available .
The "general" rule you want to follow is a good one, but just doesn't clearly apply in this case.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Apr 26, 2020 15:04:44 GMT -6
I wonder how a team with a 2nd round QB, a 3rd round and undrafted RBs, a 5th round TE, and a 2nd round WR could ever succeed, while using 4 1st round picks on defensive linemen. I just don't see any success there. Surely that team wouldn't make a run to a SB. That's just silly talk. Oh and that silly team just spent ANOTHER first round pick on an interior defensive lineman. How crazy must they be!?
Let's face it Sherm, your opinions and insight are no more valid than anyone else's. You just sound like an ass when you try to pass yourself off as some kind of "expert" on this shit when in reality you're just as much an armchair QB/GM as everyone else. If you were as smart as you think, you'd be working for an NFL front office somewhere, instead of posting on a BSU forum about how dumb the Colts drafting has been.
I'm not requesting that you don't post your opinions anymore, because for the most part I tend to agree with them, just don't be such a douche-canoe about it when presented with contradictory opinions, like yours are the only ones that are valid.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 26, 2020 16:59:03 GMT -6
Actually I show a great deal of patience and forbearance considering I'm completely carrying this forum on my back, more often than not, in providing intelligent analysis. You wouldn't believe how strong the urge is to bring the hammer down on dim-bulbs like yourself after reading yet another confused and poorly reasoned post. Let's just say I make less than 5% of the insults and snide remarks I COULD make, if that was my desire. Lastly, you would have no way of knowing the extent to which I have helped recent super bowl winning GM's with their strategic draft choices.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Apr 26, 2020 19:43:02 GMT -6
I think we can all agree things would look a lot better right now if Luck hadn't royally fucked over the organization 8 months ago.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Apr 26, 2020 22:31:08 GMT -6
Actually I show a great deal of patience and forbearance considering I'm completely carrying this forum on my back, more often than not, in providing intelligent analysis. You wouldn't believe how strong the urge is to bring the hammer down on dim-bulbs like yourself after reading yet another confused and poorly reasoned post. Let's just say I make less than 5% of the insults and snide remarks I COULD make, if that was my desire. Lastly, you would have no way of knowing the extent to which I have helped recent super bowl winning GM's with their strategic draft choices. You are 100% correct on that last point. I don't know you from the hole you clearly have in the side of your head, so you may be providing top flight strategic draft analysis to the Ravens, Patriots, and Eagles. Though I gotta tell you, if I find out you WERE giving strategic draft analysis to the New England Patriots then we're going to have a whole new set of problems! Next you're going to tell me you've suddenly be contracted by the Tampa Bay Bucs. Are you secretly Alex Guerrero? |
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Apr 26, 2020 22:31:43 GMT -6
I think we can all agree things would look a lot better right now if Luck hadn't royally fucked over the organization 8 months ago. God was that really only 8 months ago!? It feels like 2-3 years at this point. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 27, 2020 6:23:18 GMT -6
Have to admit that I am unclear on the concept of the "douche-canoe".
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Apr 27, 2020 10:24:51 GMT -6
Actually I show a great deal of patience and forbearance considering I'm completely carrying this forum on my back, more often than not, in providing intelligent analysis. You wouldn't believe how strong the urge is to bring the hammer down on dim-bulbs like yourself after reading yet another confused and poorly reasoned post. Let's just say I make less than 5% of the insults and snide remarks I COULD make, if that was my desire. Lastly, you would have no way of knowing the extent to which I have helped recent super bowl winning GM's with their strategic draft choices. You are 100% correct on that last point. I don't know you from the hole you clearly have in the side of your head, so you may be providing top flight strategic draft analysis to the Ravens, Patriots, and Eagles. Though I gotta tell you, if I find out you WERE giving strategic draft analysis to the New England Patriots then we're going to have a whole new set of problems! Next you're going to tell me you've suddenly be contracted by the Tampa Bay Bucs. Are you secretly Alex Guerrero? Actually he's wrong on that last point. Technically, I suppose you might not know the extent to which he helped recent super bowl willing GM's, he might be a lunatic who sends random letters providing his thoughts, but you have a very valid way of knowing whether he's just playing armchair executive, his own words: And what fraction of Grigson's NFL knowledge do I have? Maybe 0.5% ? Nelson is probably an good guard. I don't watch enough tape to really know and neither does anyone here or 99.9% of the people currently singing Nelson's praises. I don't watch nearly enough tape to know which. Ballard and his staff should though. With no expertise and only the limited publically available information, I think the odds are a good bit less than 50/50 that he will play at an above-average-NFL-QB level this coming season. I think the odds are no better than even money that he will ever have a season like 2014 or 2016 again. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 27, 2020 10:51:22 GMT -6
Pittman has WR1 potential, and with TY on the field, would be an interesting duo. If Campbell can work the slot, with Pascal in on 4 WR sets, Doyle catching a few, should be pretty good.
Grabbing Taylor was a great pick, as long as he develops better ball security. Good change of pace between him and Mack. He'll be able to contribute immediately.
I'm surprised Eason fell all the way to the fourth round. With some time to learn and adjust, might be the steal of the draft.
Overall, the Colts got a couple of starters, some good depth, and a QB project that could develop into a reliable starter.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 27, 2020 10:53:18 GMT -6
So far all of the draft “experts” who do that as a big part of their careers, really like the Colts taking Pittman. They feel he was good fit there. I’ll accept that assessment. Now it’s up to the player to back it up. (They also like the selection of Pinter). They didn’t like that colts trading up to get Taylor but I liked it. They aren’t going to pay Mack what he wants next year so you let Mack walk and you’ve got a ready made replacement in Taylor. Then you ride him on his Rookie contact til that that runs out. lather, rinse, repeat. Teams do not want to pay running backs anymore. (See, Gurley, Todd).
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 27, 2020 11:05:49 GMT -6
Considering the average career of an NFL running back is 3 - 4 years, there's no reason to splurge on keeping them.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 27, 2020 11:13:43 GMT -6
Exactly.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 27, 2020 11:55:58 GMT -6
Sherman or anyone else could criticize taking a RB because the total gain is relatively short in duration for that position. In "general" longer term, it is not a 10 year career we could expect. A WR or a LT or a QB can have such longer careers.
But the flip side is all those alternative draft picks have a fair amount of uncertainty. QB the most.
But this guy looks very good and very certain to succeed. 4 good years coming up with him are very likely.
I just don't see how the Colts do much better this yer with the top 3 picks (including the trade)
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Apr 27, 2020 15:35:22 GMT -6
Have to admit that I am unclear on the concept of the "douche-canoe".
It's a lightweight craft used by douches to move around on the figurative conversational currents to spread their message of doucheness to new individuals who were blissfully unaware of their existence. It also has cupholders, which is the only redeeming quality of the douchecanoe.
"Wow, did you hear what Jim had to say at the party last night?"
"Yeah, he came from nowhere on his douchecanoe and made everyone feel uncomfortable."
Just be glad you've got cupholders! The douche-raft does not allow for such luxury. |
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Post by cardfan on Apr 27, 2020 15:39:00 GMT -6
The douchecanoe has cup holders? I did not know that.
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