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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 16, 2020 18:33:27 GMT -6
It's not possible to win much with a bottom 10 pass offense and it's not very likely at all to have a better pass offense without investing your high draft picks in it. Past drafting and the Luck thing has left them with a well-below-average QB and a receiving core that is perilously close to having nothing. How in the world is this going to be fixed?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 18:46:48 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Mar 16, 2020 18:58:33 GMT -6
SF must have a guy they covet at 13. Or are freeing up salary space for a free agent. |
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Mar 16, 2020 19:55:16 GMT -6
My guess is Javon Kinlaw, who is a guy a lot of people had the Colts taking at that 13 spot.
SF gave him up because they couldn't afford him from what I understand.
The Colts also still have two picks in the second round that they could package to move back into the first if there's a guy falling that they are in love with.
There will also be a few top flight free agent WRs on the market and the Colts have the cash to throw at them.
We'll see how they choose to address the MULTIPLE needs that this team has.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 16, 2020 20:04:46 GMT -6
Tons of stud WRS in the draft this year. They can get one there. And maybe sign a vet.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Mar 16, 2020 20:04:56 GMT -6
Thankfully for the Colts, BoB is still the Coach/GM/Fucking Retard in charge of the Texans, who traded away the team's second biggest offensive star for what amounts to a backup RB.
Also the Titans saddled their next two seasons and a boatload of cash to Ryan Tannehill. So all things considered, the Colts have a reasonable chance to be the best team in the AFC South simply by getting incrementally better.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 16, 2020 20:20:58 GMT -6
They must have figured they couldn’t afford Hopkins? Why Else would you trade him? Other than BoB is an idiot?
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 16, 2020 20:31:02 GMT -6
Tons of stud WRS in the draft this year. They can get one there. And maybe sign a vet. Likely to get help there. They really got hit hard by injury at WR. With Brisset, without injury, they'll be better. Or. Probably enough money to get Rivers for a QB upgrade, or another good FA another position. Signing their LT and the DL they needed a good off season start. |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 16, 2020 21:24:35 GMT -6
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Mar 17, 2020 4:41:03 GMT -6
They must have figured they couldn’t afford Hopkins? Why Else would you trade him? Other than BoB is an idiot? From my time spent listening to sports talk radio while living in Houston, the consensus is BoB is an idiot. According to NFL insiders, there was tension between Hopkins and BoB, so rather than try and work it out, BoB just traded him away. The dude is gonna "Pagano" the best years of Watson's career, and I'm not upset about that because Fuck the Texans, but as just a fan of the sport it's sad to see a talented guy get wasted by such a fuckup of a coach. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 17, 2020 9:33:03 GMT -6
I'm not very excited about Rivers. He is at a career point where he could fall off the cliff very abruptly, and it may well have started last season. Look at the Chargers. they have a pretty nice roster and could be expected to take on a "win now" mode. But yet they have no interest in keeping Rivers, and they know him better than anyone.
Compared to Brissett, he is a very different QB. Brissett is a low-ceiling mediocrity. The colts might scrape into the lower reaches of the playoffs with Brissett, but that's it. The colts roster priorities should be 1) get a better QB, 2) get a better QB and 3) get a better QB.
The case for Rivers is that you might get lucky with a one year gamble on him...maybe through rejuvenation in a new setting? And I guess if it falls apart, which is not unlikely, then you have a nice draft pick for a permanent QB fix next year.
this is the sort of frustrating, desperate, and not uncommon situation we avoided so long with Manning and Luck around. |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 17, 2020 9:40:02 GMT -6
Rivers would merely be a placeholder for whatever QB the colts draft. None of the QB’s who would be available would be able to get on the field day one. But other than guts and moxie does he give the colts anymore than Brissett does? Luck walking away when he did really put the colts in a bind.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 17, 2020 11:03:25 GMT -6
I'm not very excited about Rivers. He is at a career point where he could fall off the cliff very abruptly, and it may well have started last season. Look at the Chargers. they have a pretty nice roster and could be expected to take on a "win now" mode. But yet they have no interest in keeping Rivers, and they know him better than anyone.
I am not excited with Rivers, and a little higher than you on Brisset.
The Chargers and Rivers don't fit well at all. They are weak on OL and can't protect him and don't have the running game the Colts will have.
He will be better in Indy than with the Chargers.
Their ceiling with either QB is higher than just making the playoffs.
Long term they need a QB. This year, I don't see making that the single priority as you do.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 17, 2020 11:43:13 GMT -6
Wrong. Rivers will be one year older than last season. He went from a top 5 statistical QB in 2018 to about a #15 statistical QB in 2019. Typically age-related decline accelerates with time, rather than leveling off. Rivers could very easily be worse than Brissett in 2020. Different...more dynamic...but worse. Even if the colts are a better situation for him, that might not even offset the age related decline.
Anything is possible in sports, I guess, but it would take an outstanding roster to drag Brissett into the playoffs and a monster team to progress anywhere in the playoffs with Brissett handling the ball every offensive snap. As hard as it is to find a quality franchise QB, it's still easier than building a solid monster roster.
With Ballard having given away the first round pick, I take it that none of the potentially available QB prospects excited him. Even with a possible trade up. If one of the QB's potentially available to the colts in the first round ends up coming strong...that's a HUGE black mark on Ballard's record. "Huge" as in he should be fired for passing up the one thing he really, really, really needed. |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 17, 2020 11:59:56 GMT -6
I don’t see him as having merely “given up” the first round pick. He traded it in exchange for a proven, still young, all Pro interior d lineman. The colts were very weak at that spot and if the guy plays like he has been it’ll be a huge boost to the defense.
I think ballad figures he can get his future QB in round 2 or 3. I don’t think a qb he’d get at 13 will be that much different in terms of trajectory than one a round or two later. All the QBS after the top 3 are flawed. Or Maybe he makes another trade to move to get a guy he really wants. Rivers is a 1-2 year option only. You’re not going to afford Cam Newton or Derek Carr or any of the other younger options and they are flawed too. If Reich can extract another good year out of Rivers it’ll exceed whatever Brissett can do. At least rivers is willing to throw it.
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