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Post by cardfan on Jun 24, 2020 10:38:28 GMT -6
Honestly, I think at this point even the most justifiable of justified police actions will be met with protests and burning stuff.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 24, 2020 11:57:03 GMT -6
As someone who is anti-state and typically very critical of police, I can't say that I believe anything captured on the video was mishandled by the officers responding. The attempted arrest was clearly lawful. Once he resists arrest the camera gets shaky and knocked off the vest, so we can't see the situation when he actually discharged the firearm. I have a hard time believing a grand jury would indict. I think the decision to shoot is the issue and it is an issue of department policy not criminal law. Investigating guy for that decision and the shooting death, determining that internally in a transparent way, that is justified.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 24, 2020 11:59:30 GMT -6
Honestly, I think at this point even the most justifiable of justified police actions will be met with protests and burning stuff. It is probably good policing right now to recognize that. It probably means police have to back off some of the time when they are justified but there is some other choice available to deescalate. Cost benefit. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 25, 2020 18:19:56 GMT -6
Talked to a black guy from Minnesota today. He was a dry waller on his family vacation. His exact words were please do not think normal black folk from MN were okay with rioting done by tree hugging 20 year olds and thugs. The vast majority of black people in MN are heartbroken with what has happened to their city. Just one random dudes outlook but I thought it might add some perspective. Oh he also said everyone agrees Floyd should not have died but bad things happen in life
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 25, 2020 20:41:49 GMT -6
Too many bad things to the black population.
People don't have to agree to the protest, but I hope they can agree on the need to change.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 26, 2020 7:48:51 GMT -6
Protest is fine. Rioting and looting are not.
Social media mobs are the new lynch mobs, getting people fired (or worse) for saying something they don't agree with. And the same social media directs the conversation by placing disclaimers and hiding content.
The whole thing in Seattle needs to end as well. If I were a business owner inside the CHOP zone (or whatever they're calling it today) I'd be looking for a good lawyer to sue the city, and the mayor and police chief personally for damages due to negligence.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 30, 2020 21:29:27 GMT -6
Just in case you missed it NYC has chop/chaz that has is starting to take shape
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Post by williamtsherman on Jul 6, 2020 18:14:14 GMT -6
In a tragic occurrence, that was not the least bit funny, a young...person named Summer Taylor (shown below at right, shortly before the not-funny incident) was struck and killed by a car while taking part in a BLM-related protest that was blocking I-5 in Seattle. Anyone who was inconvenienced by stopped traffic or an unplanned detour was probably a nasty racist anyway, so screw them. And a detail that most especially isn't in any way funny at all is that the driver of the car was an African-American gentleman.  |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 7, 2020 14:34:08 GMT -6
So since George Floyd died if you compare crime rates and black on black crime.. Most major cities violent crimes rates have jumped compared to the same time frame last year. So is this a coincidence, just a bad year or something different.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jul 7, 2020 18:17:54 GMT -6
Violent crime increase was the most immediate effect of indulging the rioters in certain locales. Falling property values, worsening schools, decreased retail and service establishments, and less employment opportunity will follow.
Oh well. Just a few more things to blame on racism, I suppose
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 7, 2020 19:43:10 GMT -6
Violent crime increase was the most immediate effect of indulging the rioters in certain locales. The crime rate was up before Floyd. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Jul 7, 2020 20:11:40 GMT -6
Up a little before and a ton after
But probably not in your neighborhood, so you can keep striking that social justice pose with impunity
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 7, 2020 21:27:46 GMT -6
I read three different articles from varying news sources CNN Fox and a random one.. All said violent crime was up in 20 cities and since Floyd up a bunch over the same period of time last year.. Hell Atlanta brought in the National Guard because they have admittedly lost control. I dont know why but I think most people would be able to connect the dots.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 7, 2020 22:07:41 GMT -6
My first reaction was that I would be surprised if crime wasn't up this year. Then to ask what counted as violent crime and to see a breakdown by dates. This article surprises. www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/upshot/murders-rising-crime-coronavirus.htmlWeird year. Not clear Floyd protests explain much. The unemployment and lockdown which hit the poor more heavily have to be big influences in the crime rate story. The timing after Floyd coincides with too many other factors to draw a reliable link and I am still not clear what is classified as "violent crime." www.washingtonpost.com/national/america-spike-gun-violence/2020/07/06/15508ac8-bfa0-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.htmlHomicide rate seems the thing that is most exaggerated in this period. Yet looters and Floyd protests generally did not mean murder. This gun violence is also not directed at police especially. Children being shot, domestic violence up don't appear to be linked to protest or looting. Police being unable to have normal presence certainly could be part of the problem, but crimes like drive by shootings are rarely solved or prevented by policing presence. I want to see a breakdown by type of crime before I make any conclusion. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 7, 2020 22:27:43 GMT -6
I guess my point if I even have one is right now is not the time to start defunding police.. Do that and your going to see even more crime of all kinds. If anything these cities are going to need more police presence see Atlanta now. We do not need less police we need better police
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